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change the game game changer

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on the game changer radio network and

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listening all around the world

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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the planet i'm yours jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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man oh man what a day what a day

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there's only one way to cap this day off

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ron keel that's right ron

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is here ron is going to be joining us

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ron keel at the bottom of the hour get

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ready for that kitties

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yeah it's gonna be a good one really

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is our twitter ama and in light of the

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to just call this the evh show tomorrow

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all right ev8 show tomorrow we replace

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ama with evh are you guys cool with that

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this halloween which is october

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halloween weekend october 29th through

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the dark zone invites you to spend a

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they have invited me to tag along

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and i will be there in person on board

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on location friday night on the queen

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so this is a full-on virtual event

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they've got music celebrities the best

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paranormal teams in the united states

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or the links that we have throughout

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use that link and the promo code jimmy

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j-i-m-m-y you're going to get yourself a

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special discount

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and i know what you wanna do you wanna

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hang out with me you wanna see me get

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the crap scared out of me that's what

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in a weird way i want it too

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all right all right everybody wants

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their own crystal skull i've got him

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lined up here in the studio

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here i got the bumblebee i got the black

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and next to them crystal skulls and you

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want your own crystal skull go to

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einstein the crystalskull.com i wonder

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i bet you ron keel has got a crystal

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uh get yours einstein the

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crystalskull.com promo code jimmy 10

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at j church radio there you go

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come and hang out with us the sandbox is

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hashtag f2bq any questions for myself or

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or ron tonight you can post it right

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all right hashtag f2bq and let's get to

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the breaking news

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eddie van halen the all-american guitar

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hero who absolutely redefined the sound

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and possibilities of the electric guitar

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died today at the age of 65.

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and uh his family was there at uh

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at his side in in santa monica

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and uh it caught all of us by surprise

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i uh i lose it because i told myself i

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going to the thing is uh and i'm going

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talk more about eddie here in just a

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but i have never hid

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my affection and my appreciation

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hid that i've worn it on my sleeve

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throughout all of my adult life going

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i'm not alone in this okay

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there you go but i'll talk more about

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this in just a bit and of course ron

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joins us at the bottom of the hour let's

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get to show crack and happy birthday to

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elizabeth shoe is 57.

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back to the future two back to the

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future three yeah she replaced marty

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mcfly's girlfriend

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for back to the future two and three and

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cronin today is 69

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also right before the show tonight the

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that johnny nash uh passed away today

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80 years old and of course uh

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number one hit one of the i knew this

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over the years but johnny nash is the

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bob marley in the whalers he started a

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in jamaica and made that happen

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passed away today at 80 as well on this

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1981 islamic extremists assassinate

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as he reviews troops on the anniversary

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okay here we go fader fact

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ronnie music jr that's his real name

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ronnie music jr scratched a lottery

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and won 3 million dollars

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that's a fact but then later

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he was sentenced to 21 years in prison

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oh man i almost want to follow that

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if he's from florida

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but it's it's a florida man story right

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we're going to be talking about both

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rock and roll that's right we do it all

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little eddie van halen thrown in for

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good measure and eddie if you're

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uh man you took us all by surprise but

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we're gonna be talking about

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you tonight a little bit it's ron's

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night see it's just like eddie right

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oh man all right all right i say that

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with affection

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come on i kid not really i kid

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all right let me hit this room coffee

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i love all the eddie van halen uh

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banners

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the the van halen zippo oh you know what

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i duh

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i'd have to go back home oh i didn't

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wear my eddie van halen shirt and my

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eddie van halen's shoes

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oh rita rita that's your fault

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rita should have said i want whether you

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change your shirt wear your eddie van

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halen striped

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shirt it's small but she could have said

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it i could have worn it

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could have worn it and my eddie van

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halen vans ah

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they match they look like this guitar

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this one it looks like this one have i

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worn that shirt on the air

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i think i wore the uh the shoes on the

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maybe you didn't see him but uh man i

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should have worn my eddie van halen

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shirt

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see i was distraught today i'm telling

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telling you telling you what

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rough day rough day all right let me hit

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got all those vintage van halen shirts

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i'll wear it tomorrow for evh night

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i could i could change shirts during

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each commercial break right do a set

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change

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all right i could do that all right

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well it's like this so where were you

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the news today where were you

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now i put all of these thoughts

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as i laid it down because i i made this

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comment

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that the music died yeah it seems a bit

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much

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now but i meant it then

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so there you go

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now i remember where i was when i got

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the news about john lennon i remember

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exactly where i was when i got the news

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about randy rhodes i remember exactly

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where i was

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when i heard about dimebag daryl i know

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exactly where i was

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uh david bowie i know exactly where i

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was with prince

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i think both those were when i was on

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the air

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actually but but i remember those

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moments and today for me well

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i was on our patio with rita and i get a

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text

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from wolf mccarron we all know wolf

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great friend great drummer

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somebody i've known for 35 years

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and uh just an amazing guy great

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researcher all of that stuff

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but he texted me and i i get the text

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and it's one of those moments when you

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can't believe what you are seeing

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yeah it was it was strange the world

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kind of slows down

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you know and and and then i read the

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text to rita

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she had the same reaction i did which

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was what

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now of course i could go on and on about

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the first time i heard

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van halen you know the first concert

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the first time that i met him

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the rehearsals that i had the privilege

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to see all that stuff

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but we'll save all of that for a later

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date

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probably tomorrow i think we're gonna do

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an ev8 show

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okay but right now

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in the now now i want to state

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the obvious there are very

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few artists who have managed to change

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the music we listen to

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now listen to my words closely so you

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understand

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i'm talking about artists that are so

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significant

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that have an impact so severe and

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dramatic

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that they change not only the music but

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the musicians

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that are creating it all of them

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every single one classical

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country it doesn't matter rap

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heavy metal it it it does not matter

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foreign falk acoustic it doesn't matter

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classical violinist cellist

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it doesn't matter every musician

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on this planet was affected

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by eddie van halen every single one

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and let me put it to you this way okay

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very simply there was music

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before elvis and then there was

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music after he changed

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things there was music

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before led zeppelin and then there was

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music

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after they changed things

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no matter what van halen

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changed everything everything

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the music changed the clothes

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changed hairstyles

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changed and i'm being very serious here

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okay

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guitars changed

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and what i mean by that is

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eddie van halen single-handedly

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a new industry was created

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the floyd rose super strat

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i'm not making this up and i've got one

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two three

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four five six seven eight nine ten 11

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hanging here in the studio and throwing

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the flame for good

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measure i brought this in tonight to

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show the ron keel

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changed everything the floyd rose super

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strat

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every guitar player not only wanted one

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and when i say every guitar player

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every guitar player on the planet

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this change impacted everything and

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continues to this very day it's been 40

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the dramatic and direct influence of

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eddie van halen

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was felt in every single music store

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on this planet and there are no

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exceptions

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got a lump in my throat the impact

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was insane

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didn't matter what country you were from

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what language you spoke

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it just didn't matter what town in

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america what city in america

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north and south america and canada and

394
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australia and china japan ah

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it's just the impact was insane

396
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now and i'm saying this when i say there

397
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are no exceptions

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there are none but you have to ask

399
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yourself

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how can somebody have this kind of

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and the respect came quickly

402
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virtually overnight 1978 man by 1979 it

403
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trust me there were many great players

404
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back in the day when eddie popped up

405
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oh there was plenty of greats jeff back

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jimmy page richie blackmore

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everybody else so many right the list is

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long

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but the difference was

410
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that eddie made playing fun

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van halen was a happy band

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that's totally they were a happy band

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happy and eddie showed us that you could

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have

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a good time playing you know shred a

416
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little bit

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and then laugh about it how cool is that

418
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that was the difference

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it was just a good dude

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sometimes bands and musicians can take

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themselves too seriously

422
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and that's fine right intense records

423
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technically perfect and and this and

424
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intensity and the band and

425
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and and stage shows playing live that

426
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are just

427
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intense right

428
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they take themselves too seriously and

429
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deep down inside

430
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i think that most musicians

431
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would go and see eddie playing it

432
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doesn't matter if you're a country guy

433
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or or a a serious classical musician

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that plays in an orchestra

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these musicians go and see eddie play

436
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and

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show or the way that they recorded their

438
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records mistakes included right that's

439
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the thing you know they played

440
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,159
live live when they cut their records

441
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and musicians would go and it doesn't

442
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:22,720
matter you could be in a country

443
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country band going

444
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that's the way it should be

445
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my country ban needs to be like that

446
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,480
we need to have a good time we need to

447
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get rid of this intensity

448
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,600
you know i want to be like that

449
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,760
why can't i be like that why can't my

450
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band be like that

451
00:23:53,970 --> 00:23:50,960
and that's what eddie gave us

452
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and and you don't

453
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[Music]

454
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i'm going to say this in the kindest way

455
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that i can but

456
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,480
there are musicians out there that are

457
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:03,760
popular

458
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,080
that aren't really that cool okay

459
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,320
and and i want to use a a bad word or

460
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,240
two but i'm not going to do that but

461
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:15,120
but they've got a reputation for just

462
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:15,600
not

463
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:18,960
being cool right

464
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:22,960
and that will always hold you back

465
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:26,480
from respect they mean like you're

466
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playing

467
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,480
they may appreciate the amount of

468
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,320
practice that you put in and

469
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,559
and and technically in your skills and

470
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:34,080
everything else but that's as far as the

471
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:34,799
respect

472
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:38,400
goes eddie showed us

473
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:41,520
happy guitar technically

474
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,039
brilliant brilliant that forced us to go

475
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,200
and and try to learn these licks and

476
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,480
watch it

477
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:51,039
man oh and we all did it we all went

478
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:52,559
through it

479
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:56,080
that's what eddie gave us so tonight

480
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,000
we have ron keel on the show okay

481
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,279
very strange timing for sure

482
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,520
and i get that and although we'll

483
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,600
probably talk a little eddie and we're

484
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,880
gonna go there but

485
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:11,520
but more important we'll get to talk

486
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about

487
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,720
music and as i sit here today and i

488
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,400
think about van halen

489
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my thoughts always go back to the sunset

490
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,640
strip back in the early 80s

491
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the clubs the masses of people on the

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street the rainbow

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parking lot oh man oh man oh man

494
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,799
it's crazy it was a lot of fun too and

495
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,559
then there were the bands

496
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and ask anyone who was around in those

497
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,600
days

498
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,279
and the names always get mentioned it's

499
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the same list right it's keel

500
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it's striper it's vixen it's wasp it's

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hans naughty

502
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doc and great white you know black and

503
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blue

504
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,400
you know warrant and poison and guns and

505
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:57,600
roses they weren't even bands yet

506
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but it was van halen the california

507
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party band

508
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:05,120
that helped end disco and broke it all

509
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:08,159
open for the success of the sunset strip

510
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and for that we are all thankful

511
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so tonight it's gonna be like

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just like eddie just like eddie would do

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it

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[Laughter]

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it's a happy time it's uh

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00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,000
it's the only way that uh we can do it

517
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:36,080
tomorrow night if you want to call into

518
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:37,039
the show

519
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and and make it all somber and things i

520
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,320
appreciate that if you want to get it

521
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,840
all out you can't or you can tell happy

522
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:44,720
stories to it

523
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,480
it doesn't matter um i wanted to uh

524
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,039
uh get this in i've got just enough time

525
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:52,640
to do it

526
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:56,640
um what's this uh when i was at

527
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,679
guitar center in hollywood gc 110 guitar

528
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:01,679
center hollywood there was a gentleman

529
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,559
there that is

530
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,400
uh pretty well known his name is dave

531
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:05,600
weiderman

532
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,880
and dave is now retired i i hope dave is

533
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,840
listening right now

534
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,400
everybody knows dave but dave was really

535
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,480
really close friends with the van halen

536
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,559
brothers all things van halen and

537
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,120
and stuff but i'm working i'm in pro

538
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,799
audio and dave and i dave

539
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:23,840
trusted me to to you know uh

540
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:26,960
interface with these artists but um

541
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,880
he he comes down and says okay jimmy

542
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,000
van halen just moved into

543
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:37,039
a rehearsal studio and

544
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,799
they are getting ready for the balance

545
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:42,960
tour

546
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:45,200
i've got a list of gear here i need you

547
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,320
to

548
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,080
take stuff down there for eddie

549
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,360
in the band and uh and see what he likes

550
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:53,919
and things

551
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:57,679
you know i said all right when he's like

552
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,320
now

553
00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,000
i had a pickup truck i think that's why

554
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:01,679
they picked me anyway

555
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,960
so this is the first night and it was

556
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,799
many many many nights that i had the

557
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,000
privilege to do this

558
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,840
uh too many to count i don't remember

559
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:11,279
them all but

560
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,120
so i uh we load up my car with this gear

561
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,640
and it was all kinds of

562
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,320
stuff that that part doesn't matter this

563
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,799
is what was crazy

564
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:23,760
i'm driving my pickup truck to van

565
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,399
halen's

566
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,520
friggin rehearsal in north hollywood i

567
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,360
can't believe it i'm driving

568
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got this address and i drive to this

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gnarly part

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of the north valley like i i don't even

571
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remember the streets but it was like

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vineland and roscoe or something

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vineland and sherman way

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and uh and i'm and i'm pulling and i

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it's a little gray

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building uh next to this airport

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uh whiteman airport not van nuys airport

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that's a story for another time

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but in the middle of uh next door uh uh

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auto repair places and like a junkyard

581
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,960
over here and there's this building in

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the middle

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and and i pull up i got the address i'm

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looking at that now this got to be the

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place i see like three porsches a

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lamborghini a ferrari it's got to be the

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place right

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next to the junkyard i pull up

589
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,559
i walk in and and it's this tiny

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00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,799
little rehearsal room like your band

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00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,679
rehearsed in

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in high school nothing more nothing

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special

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00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,880
nice pa but it was right it was a dive

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and i look on the stage and little

596
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little tiny stage

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tiny there's alex there's michael

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anthony

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there's eddie uh van hagar wasn't there

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00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,840
and uh playing i'm by myself there's no

601
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,960
sound guy there's like nobody there rudy

602
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his guitar tech

603
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,840
was putting strings on a guitar i could

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00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,360
see him i wave

605
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:55,200
right i think maddie brook was there too

606
00:30:03,510 --> 00:29:59,360
as well i stand in the back of this room

607
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:03,520
and watch them jam without vocals

608
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:07,440
for like two hours like this

609
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,799
somebody pinch me and then they i mean

610
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,480
they were seriously

611
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:15,760
rehearsing without vocals and i got to

612
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do that

613
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,000
for like six months and

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i cannot tell you how precious that

615
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,799
memory is today i've never shared that

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story

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00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,840
on the air i've never talked about it uh

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00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,039
before

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but it was really cool and the nicest

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00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:32,960
guys ever met

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was it was absolutely wonderful so

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00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,640
rest in peace eddie van halen you're a

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big part of my life big part of

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everybody's life thank you for

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everything

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that you gave to us with that this is

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fade to black i'm your host jimmy church

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going to take a quick break because when

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i come back the faster that i do this

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the quicker we get to ron keel on the

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your host jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kg r a

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tonight ron keel joins us tomorrow night

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i think we're gonna

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interrupt our regularly scheduled

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program

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we're gonna do an evh uh special

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tomorrow night

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but tonight it's it's ron keel

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we're going to talk rock we're going to

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talk the role ufos conspiracy paranormal

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and what it's like to grow up to be the

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metal cowboy

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now i'm going to say this out of respect

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00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:04,960
to ron

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i could take the time to read his bio

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to you now but that would take 30

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minutes of the show away

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00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,800
but let me just say this from the first

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steeler album

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uh ron has has grabbed everybody by the

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throat

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and and he has done this he has gone

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everywhere from metal

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all the way through to country um and

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00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,119
then his debut album that we all

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00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,680
anticipated here in la the right to rock

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00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,720
was produced by gene simmons millions of

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00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,560
records sold he has toured with van

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00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:38,960
halen bon jovi aerosmith motley crew

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00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:42,240
do ynt queens reich and uh

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00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,160
he just recently went to australia he

786
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,640
did the monsters of rock cruise as well

787
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,599
helsinki finland and then there was

788
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:51,280
kielfest and that really caught my

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00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,240
attention

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00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,280
featuring kiel and with the ron kilband

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00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,480
and steeler and we'll talk about all of

792
00:38:02,710 --> 00:37:59,599
that in a little bit but

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00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:02,720
also in addition to being a front man

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being the guy ron today is also

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a dj he's been doing that for a long

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00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,200
time

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00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,119
and we'll talk about that tonight too as

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00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,880
well i want to welcome for the first

799
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,800
time to fade to black ron keel ron good

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00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:16,720
evening my man how you doing

801
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,280
good evening jimmy uh it's an honor a

802
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:21,119
pleasure a blast and thrilled to join

803
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,920
you

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00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,680
on the show tonight greetings to uh all

805
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,280
your listeners all the fader knots all

806
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:26,960
the kilaholics out there

807
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,599
let's rock this did you just say fade or

808
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,640
not

809
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,720
of course i did i am one of them one of

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00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:33,839
you my

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00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:37,440
man my man okay well to be officially

812
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,160
inducted

813
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:40,000
we have to do the first time guest

814
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,200
disclaimer

815
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,480
and you've been waiting for this so

816
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:44,320
let's get it out of the way ron it's

817
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,200
just you and i

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00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:47,040
sitting on my couch having a

819
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,480
conversation as friends and where the

820
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:50,240
conversation starts it starts where it

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00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,119
ends it ends

822
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,200
but we're gonna end as friends there you

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00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,960
go absolutely man i am in i feel that

824
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,400
way already i know it's great to

825
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,240
reconnect with you i do not remember

826
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,400
that first conversation we had

827
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,720
36 years ago in the rainbow parking lot

828
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,960
but i remember every conversation we've

829
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:06,320
had since and i'm certainly looking

830
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,680
forward to this one

831
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,160
if anybody tells me ron that they

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00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,160
remember a conversation in the rainbow

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00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,240
parking lot from 1984

834
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:17,599
they're lying absolutely there's just no

835
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,160
one

836
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,880
i mean i mean how cool uh we've got so

837
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:22,720
much to talk about tonight

838
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:26,480
but one of the things that i try to

839
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:30,400
instill in everybody was the sense of

840
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:33,680
family that was the sunset strip back in

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00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,560
the day

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00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,960
and unless you were there you just don't

843
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,920
get it

844
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,040
but how incredible what did did you have

845
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,720
any idea

846
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,520
that uh history was being made every

847
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,800
single day

848
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,480
you know and what the future and how

849
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,920
people would look back

850
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,560
at that moment in time i don't think at

851
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,720
that time jimmy in the early 80s when i

852
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,599
moved to los

853
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,800
angeles and became part of that

854
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,720
hollywood scene i don't think anybody

855
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,400
could have predicted the cultural

856
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,640
revolution that would follow because of

857
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,920
bands like motley crue

858
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,560
and quiet riot rat and all the rest of

859
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,319
those great bands that we saw and heard

860
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,359
that you've already mentioned on the

861
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,400
show tonight

862
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,079
we didn't realize at the time we just

863
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,079
knew our time had come

864
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,760
and we thought it would last forever but

865
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,839
now looking back it was a very special

866
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,119
moment in time and

867
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,400
certainly very proud to have been a part

868
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:22,319
of that cultural revolution that was the

869
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,119
80s

870
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:26,000
hollywood hard rock scene yeah and this

871
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:27,280
is the thing

872
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,119
you can't that that moment was

873
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:33,760
organic right you can't invent it you

874
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,319
can't

875
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,880
force it it's something that happens

876
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,000
naturally

877
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,839
and and you're just caught up in the

878
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,119
moment but

879
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,520
you can't go and try to create this in

880
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,720
in another city

881
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,200
or in another country and and have the

882
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,119
same thing unfold like it did back then

883
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:50,880
on the sunset strip it's impossible

884
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,280
right

885
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,680
no it was the perfect storm and it was

886
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,440
started in a lot of ways by our man

887
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:56,960
edward van halen who

888
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,240
as you mentioned really

889
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:02,000
created the template for everything that

890
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,280
happened in the 80s

891
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,960
that record changed everybody's life and

892
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,640
i know we're going to talk about eddie

893
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,640
and i'm excited to do that tonight

894
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,280
very saddened by his passing and very

895
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:13,200
glad for the the memories that he gave

896
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:13,839
me

897
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,599
i spoke about this in my audio book and

898
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:21,440
in my autobiography it was a day that

899
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,800
changed everything

900
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,720
i went to school i was a junior in high

901
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:26,800
school and we went to school that

902
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,520
morning

903
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,920
and all of a sudden you're hearing

904
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,280
people talking about hey did you hear

905
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:33,040
the spent van halen did you hear about

906
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,000
that and then at lunch

907
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,160
hour everybody went out to the cars in

908
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,920
the parking lot and played that

909
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:40,640
van halen record in their cassette

910
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,119
players

911
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:43,119
in the car stereos and in the parking

912
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,400
lot of the high school

913
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,000
by the end of the day everybody had a

914
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,520
van halen logo

915
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,839
written on their notebook and we were

916
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,119
all running with the devil

917
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:53,119
at that point it changed everything for

918
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,240
for me and for

919
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,599
for rock and roll uh in its entirety and

920
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:00,000
i went on to literally i heard that i

921
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,280
said well

922
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,040
because i was a guitar player and i

923
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,640
thought maybe i should just

924
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,480
try singing because i'm never going to

925
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,319
be able to like spinal tap

926
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,760
just make a coffee table out of that

927
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,079
thing that's really what

928
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,240
spurred me to really focus on becoming a

929
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,640
front man and a lead singer was because

930
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,160
there was no way i was ever going to

931
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,480
compete with that and i saw david lee

932
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:21,599
roth and

933
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,040
van halen in was 1980

934
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,000
august of 1980 in nashville tennessee at

935
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,920
municipal auditorium and there were two

936
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,359
rock bands in nashville

937
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,560
in 1980 it was my band lust it was kind

938
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,720
of an ac dc judas priest jeans and

939
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,839
t-shirts

940
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,440
we didn't dress up or put on a show but

941
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,359
it was a great band and then there was a

942
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,800
band called sniper

943
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,800
and they were the ones who were doing

944
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
pyro and the light show and the big hair

945
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,560
and the spandex and all that

946
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,839
and i thought well that's cool i'd like

947
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,440
to be in that band i want to put on a

948
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,319
show too

949
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,640
and i went to the van halen concert with

950
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,720
their lead singer his name was bruce

951
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,880
and the two lead singers and the two

952
00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:00,800
competing rock bands in nashville were

953
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,359
friends

954
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:03,920
we went to that concert and saw van

955
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,160
halen we saw david lee roth of course

956
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,480
doing what no other front man had ever

957
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,359
done

958
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,480
at that point and bruce just

959
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,480
nope i'm done i quit i can't compete

960
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:16,000
with that and i said well can i have

961
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,119
your band

962
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,280
because yeah and he really just bailed

963
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,960
on being a front man and being a singer

964
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,359
i took his band and renamed it steeler

965
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:25,599
and the rest is history now let's let's

966
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:26,720
okay now let's

967
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:30,640
let's talk about this for a second uh

968
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,079
when you came to l.a um

969
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:37,040
i was i was a fan but there was one

970
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,079
element about

971
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,000
you that uh i had a lot of respect for

972
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,240
and that was you were always

973
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,280
uh backed by the best musicians possible

974
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,400
that's that's the one key thing you you

975
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:53,680
you had an eye and an ear for that but

976
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,319
take me

977
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,280
through and this is for eddie eddie's

978
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:58,720
going to laugh right now

979
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,000
ron i want you to laugh

980
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:05,359
how difficult was it to audition guitar

981
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,000
players

982
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,560
back in the day and find somebody that

983
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:09,599
didn't sound

984
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,630
well he certainly had created that

985
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:19,040
finger tapping style and the combination

986
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:19,760
of

987
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,480
loud powerful mean sounding guitars with

988
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,680
commercial

989
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,839
rock songs songs that could be hits and

990
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,119
not just trying to be heavy that's one

991
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,560
thing i always loved about eddie was

992
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,119
he was really a great songwriter his

993
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,480
rhythms his uh

994
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,319
his sense of melody he wasn't afraid to

995
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,400
do commercial or

996
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:38,640
pop style dance the night away and songs

997
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,520
like that

998
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,000
and uh you would audition guitar players

999
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,839
and they all had the tricks

1000
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,520
but none of them had that heart that

1001
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:46,880
spirit that soul that

1002
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,760
that special it factor that edward had

1003
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,920
and that so few have had of course jakey

1004
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,480
lee and

1005
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,640
george lynch and people like that really

1006
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:56,000
set the bar high

1007
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,440
following in eddie's footsteps but it

1008
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,520
was very difficult until

1009
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:01,520
i found a young man by the name of

1010
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,240
inggvay momstein in stockholm sweden

1011
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,680
right before we recorded that first

1012
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,920
steeler album in 1983

1013
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,000
and i heard him and it certainly didn't

1014
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:11,440
sound like edward but it sounded like

1015
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,240
somebody

1016
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,000
that was taking the instrument to a new

1017
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:16,000
level like edward had or like hendrix

1018
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,720
had

1019
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,400
previously so invade became the lead

1020
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,000
guitar player and steeler recorded the

1021
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,680
album which became

1022
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:23,119
the biggest selling independent heavy

1023
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,800
metal record of all time and really put

1024
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,240
both of our careers on the map

1025
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,520
yeah no question about that and when

1026
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,640
so many other players uh were

1027
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:35,040
and i was guilty of it too okay we all

1028
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,480
were you couldn't help but be

1029
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,280
influenced by eddie um but here comes

1030
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,400
ingva

1031
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:43,200
right and there there was something

1032
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:43,760
again

1033
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:46,720
singular about him how did that

1034
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,359
connection

1035
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:49,359
happen i know the story's been told many

1036
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,480
times but give me the ron keel version

1037
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,960
how did how did that get hooked up well

1038
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,079
i've always been blessed

1039
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,400
jimmy with having just great people

1040
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,000
great musicians

1041
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,319
uh come into my life and and it's it's

1042
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:04,000
like a magnetic force and i'm really

1043
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,280
proud of the fact that i've played with

1044
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,560
some of the world's greatest

1045
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:09,440
guitarists including yngwie but uh that

1046
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:10,000
was a

1047
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,520
i was looking for someone to do the

1048
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,240
record and when you put in his cassette

1049
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,720
he and mike farney mike varney had uh i

1050
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,240
was sitting in his living room

1051
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,599
mike marty the president of shrapnel

1052
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,400
records who is legendary in our business

1053
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,160
and we listened to one cassette tape

1054
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,680
after the other and obviously when you

1055
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,119
put on ingredie's demo

1056
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,880
there was something special there he did

1057
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,880
something that nobody else could do

1058
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,640
and we were very excited to bring him to

1059
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,800
america and create that record now

1060
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,119
we did not feel the same way about a

1061
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:38,640
musical direction or

1062
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,240
we we were different animals we did not

1063
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,680
belong in the same zoo but we made a

1064
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:45,119
great record together that's still a

1065
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,920
part of that

1066
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:47,599
that history released in september of

1067
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,319
1983 we just celebrated the 37th

1068
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,000
anniversary of that release

1069
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,160
and of course followed that with uh

1070
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:56,000
mitch perry who became the guitar player

1071
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,839
after invade left mitch perry's going on

1072
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,520
to play with cher and johnny winter and

1073
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,960
michael schenker

1074
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,400
dear friend mitch did the steeler

1075
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,319
reunion last year at keel fest

1076
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:06,319
which you just mentioned invade didn't

1077
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,520
show up but uh

1078
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,319
mitch sure sure did so i'm gl glad for

1079
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,079
that glad for the opportunity and

1080
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,680
that got up got both of our careers

1081
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,200
kick-started and you know

1082
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,800
i realized i wanted to preface this but

1083
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,560
you did a great job hyping me at the top

1084
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,000
of the segment

1085
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,599
because i know many of your listeners

1086
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,599
probably don't know who i am and many of

1087
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,440
them may not be familiar with my

1088
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,880
my history because you've got such a

1089
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:28,880
huge listener base

1090
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,839
and i equate it to uh you know i sold

1091
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,040
three million records

1092
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,200
and what that really means is that

1093
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,480
billions of people

1094
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,480
don't know who i am or don't like what i

1095
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,559
do so i keep that in perspective and

1096
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,839
realize that uh

1097
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:44,240
a great band even if you sell a few

1098
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,119
million records

1099
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,280
that that doesn't make you an automatic

1100
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,119
uh household name and i appreciate you

1101
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,720
having me on the show to meet a whole

1102
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:52,319
new audience of people that

1103
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,839
think and feel a lot of the same things

1104
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:55,359
that i think could feel because as i

1105
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,319
mentioned to you

1106
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:58,480
in our previous conversations i've been

1107
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,599
a fan of yours

1108
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,720
for a long time as a songwriter i listen

1109
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,680
to

1110
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,359
talk radio because i've always got a

1111
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:07,280
dozen songs bouncing around inside my

1112
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,839
head

1113
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,920
i've gravitated to talk radio pretty

1114
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,960
much all my life

1115
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,200
starting with art bell back in the day

1116
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,880
sports radio politics

1117
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,800
and especially shows like yours fade to

1118
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:18,079
black coast to coast

1119
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,599
richard serrett i'm a huge fan of

1120
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,920
richards and so i really enjoy those

1121
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:22,960
shows

1122
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,920
and it's uh it's certainly an honor to

1123
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,000
be on your show and share my story and

1124
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,680
some some great stories about

1125
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:32,000
the la sunset strip and edward van halen

1126
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,280
and all the other stuff that we're going

1127
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:34,720
to talk about tonight so thanks again

1128
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,599
for having me on

1129
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:38,160
yeah ron i i think you just brought up a

1130
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,280
very important point

1131
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,640
i don't know what it is but

1132
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,680
the the creative mindset whether you're

1133
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,480
a musician or a poet or an artist

1134
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:51,920
a sculptor a writer

1135
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,160
that creative mindset is attracted to

1136
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,359
things unknown just

1137
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,520
it's gravitate and it helps the creative

1138
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,000
process and certainly the medium

1139
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,839
shows that whether it's written into

1140
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,079
song or it's written into poetry or it's

1141
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:09,920
painted on a canvas

1142
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,280
what is it about the creative mind that

1143
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,440
seeks out knowledge and wants to know

1144
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,800
about the paranormal and the

1145
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,079
supernatural and

1146
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,559
maybe make connection with it with a

1147
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:22,319
flying saucer one night what what's

1148
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,680
going on there

1149
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,599
well i think there's something about

1150
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:26,720
shows like yours

1151
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,839
and coast and and the whole entire uh

1152
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,440
you know the paranormal is like an

1153
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,880
umbrella like rock and roll as an

1154
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,079
umbrella you can put a lot of stuff

1155
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:35,839
under that umbrella but the paranormal

1156
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:36,319
is

1157
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,440
not only uh ufos and ghosts it's

1158
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:42,240
the search for the truth and we're all

1159
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,040
we all wonder

1160
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,839
where we came from and where is there

1161
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:47,200
life out there is there going to be

1162
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,079
disclosure

1163
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,480
our hidden history uh everybody wants to

1164
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:52,319
know the answers is there life after

1165
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,800
death

1166
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,040
these are common themes and subjects

1167
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,800
that i think everyone is

1168
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,040
at least interested in uh i am

1169
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,960
entertained by it and fascinated by it

1170
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,680
there are certain

1171
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,720
aspects of the subject matter that i'm

1172
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,839
really intrigued in

1173
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:08,319
and certain things that i quote believe

1174
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:09,040
i gotta

1175
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,640
i should have a poster behind me that

1176
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,760
says i want to believe like fox mulder

1177
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,920
certain things that i do believe and

1178
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,440
certain things that i'm not sure about

1179
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,280
but i do have an open mind

1180
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,040
and i just want the truth like everybody

1181
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,200
else does oh wait give me an example of

1182
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,119
interest

1183
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,839
hidden history is probably my favorite

1184
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,400
topic

1185
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,079
when you have guys on the show like

1186
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,240
graham hancock or robert shock

1187
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,280
or uh scott walter those guys blow me

1188
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:37,040
away those are the rock stars man those

1189
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:37,440
are

1190
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,040
and that that

1191
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,160
that crowd because it's obvious to me

1192
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,790
proof that history is not what we've

1193
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,599
been taught

1194
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,480
there is a lot more to it that people

1195
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:55,839
like graham hancock

1196
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,480
and scott walter in the modern day are

1197
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,000
are bringing to light

1198
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,559
and i am fascinated by that subject and

1199
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,760
by the fact that

1200
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:05,359
you know we'll probably never know i

1201
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:07,200
think eventually obviously we all think

1202
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,000
jimmy that there

1203
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,240
will be some type of disclosure or there

1204
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,920
will be some type of first contact if

1205
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,079
there's life out there

1206
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,079
which we all believe there is there will

1207
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,839
be some type of

1208
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,160
concrete evidence of that but will we

1209
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,400
ever really know the truth about

1210
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,640
what happened ten thousand a hundred

1211
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,760
thousand years ago

1212
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,760
i think that's what makes that aspect of

1213
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,800
the subject matter

1214
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:31,040
even more intriguing to me now and this

1215
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,720
is what what's great i think what you're

1216
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,800
intentionally doing right now ron is you

1217
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:36,960
want the fader knots to light up twitter

1218
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,960
i like this guy i do actually jimmy

1219
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:43,040
yeah i am in my bunker here at my house

1220
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:44,319
you can see me but the fans and the

1221
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,119
listeners can't

1222
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:48,160
i'm in my bunker and it's doc and i've

1223
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,000
got twitter right here on my left

1224
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,480
all right twitter follow me at rodkeel

1225
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:54,160
on twitter twitter is right here always

1226
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,359
to my left

1227
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,960
and uh gene simmons as you mentioned

1228
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,559
gene simmons produced my first major

1229
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,760
label album jimmy and

1230
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,599
he taught me a lot of very valuable

1231
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,359
lessons one of them was

1232
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,839
only steal from the best so i have taken

1233
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,800
a lot of my

1234
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:09,040
radio chops from guys like you yeah

1235
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:10,240
thank you so much for that

1236
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,000
i've stolen enough from you over the

1237
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:13,599
years so now

1238
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:17,599
it goes both ways but you just dropped

1239
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,119
uh the right names and the right things

1240
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,240
and are saying the right things

1241
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:26,640
that you can't fake this is stuff you

1242
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,359
you can't telephone this information in

1243
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,720
so when you listen to shows like this

1244
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,319
like fade to black and others

1245
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,880
do you do you also head off and do some

1246
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,960
research are you looking into say

1247
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,760
egypt or say go beckley tepi for me give

1248
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:42,720
it to me

1249
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,839
go beckley tepe 13 000 years old and

1250
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:48,079
only five percent has been excavated

1251
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,559
that is

1252
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,640
that's a as you say it's a game changer

1253
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:51,839
man uh

1254
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:55,839
and i do uh enjoy reading books

1255
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,640
on the subject i'm an avid reader and

1256
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,319
like i said i've got music

1257
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:02,880
in my head and in my heart full-time 24

1258
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:03,760
7

1259
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,200
my entertainment and my interests

1260
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:09,280
lie in the same areas that you and your

1261
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,880
listeners are discussing on a nightly

1262
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:11,839
basis

1263
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,640
and i enjoy it even if it's a subject

1264
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:15,599
that i might not

1265
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:18,800
necessarily buy into or believe

1266
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,829
i know that they are life changers i

1267
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:27,599
remember the day and i was only two

1268
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,000
years old

1269
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:31,200
i remember the day jfk was shot i

1270
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,040
after not researching and trying to

1271
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,079
but but i've listened and learned enough

1272
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,640
about that day to know that

1273
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,079
what happened was not what we've been

1274
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,680
told that's right

1275
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:46,559
911 as well 911 was a big one i had mike

1276
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,200
[\h__\h]

1277
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,200
from uh white lion good friend of mine

1278
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,440
tramp's been on my show three times

1279
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,680
and he's fearless he doesn't care if

1280
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,680
he's gonna lose followers or friends and

1281
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,760
uh he'll speak his mind and he's

1282
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:58,960
certainly been

1283
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:01,839
known to to voice his feelings about 9

1284
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,480
11.

1285
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,880
but those days everything changed that

1286
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:06,640
day everything nothing's ever been the

1287
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,200
same

1288
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:10,160
just like covet 19 or 2020 as everybody

1289
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,040
likes to put

1290
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,960
all of the happenings this year into a

1291
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:14,480
bubble and say oh it's all

1292
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,839
2020. edward van halen passed away covet

1293
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:20,319
19 the civil unrest and all the other

1294
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,440
uh factors that have made 2020

1295
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,160
what it is things will never be the same

1296
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:28,079
now what they will end up being is up to

1297
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,960
all of us but

1298
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,280
this is this year has been like one of

1299
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,839
those red letter days like the day jfk

1300
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,880
was shot

1301
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,119
the 911 and the day we heard that first

1302
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,880
van halen record man it changed

1303
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:41,440
everything that day and uh nothing has

1304
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:42,880
ever been the same in rock and roll

1305
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,359
since

1306
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,240
van halen sprang onto the scene and it

1307
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,680
uh gave birth to that

1308
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,119
like i said i probably wouldn't have

1309
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:50,640
been a singer i would have still been

1310
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:57,109
and steeler my first band may never have

1311
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,920
happened

1312
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,839
uh if it weren't for for that influence

1313
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,680
that edward and van halen had

1314
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,839
on all of us in the late 70s and early

1315
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,480
80s did you ever anticipate

1316
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:09,440
uh i don't think any of us did but you

1317
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:10,640
personally

1318
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,160
uh when you uh are are

1319
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:16,880
interested in conspiracy theory or

1320
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,000
things that

1321
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,000
the other the crazy people talked about

1322
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,839
right there was another crowd

1323
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,520
but you you know you're listening and

1324
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,200
you're following along

1325
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,880
but did you ever anticipate living that

1326
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:29,680
reality

1327
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,359
like we are today i did not uh

1328
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,400
we can't anticipate those things and you

1329
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,160
never know what what tomorrow or next

1330
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,480
year will bring

1331
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,480
change is inevitable change is a part of

1332
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,559
evolution and life

1333
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:47,200
and of course we've all known that these

1334
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,400
things are possible

1335
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,960
pandemics are possible an emp an

1336
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,400
electromagnetic pulse

1337
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,400
is one of the scariest things that we

1338
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,720
can discuss on a show like this because

1339
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,200
that's a real possibility and it would

1340
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,040
send us all back to the stone age in a

1341
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:03,359
heartbeat you can't anticipate things

1342
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,920
like that

1343
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,440
you can't live in fear either you can't

1344
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,359
live in fear of an emp or

1345
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:10,000
in my opinion coven 19 or anything else

1346
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:10,400
i

1347
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,839
am we're all on a one-day contract as

1348
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,359
far as i'm concerned tomorrow is not

1349
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,799
guaranteed to any of us and i'll tell

1350
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:32,160
you a quick story before we go to break

1351
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:32,880
jimmy

1352
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,480
uh this all changed for me when i was

1353
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,559
what i was 19 years old living in

1354
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,119
nashville tennessee this is pre-stealer

1355
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,440
and i was in a band called taboo it was

1356
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,200
uh a punk ronk

1357
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,359
punk funk rock there was three black

1358
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:49,440
guys in the band that sang great motown

1359
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,559
style harmonies

1360
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,400
uh i was a lead guitar player in that

1361
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,440
band this is pre van halen by the way

1362
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,359
i was the lead guitar player and these

1363
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,119
guys taught me so much and they brought

1364
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,880
me into the fold even though i was very

1365
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,160
young and very green

1366
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,079
and the band leader his name was kevin

1367
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,000
was 23 years old

1368
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,880
and a brilliant musician super nice guy

1369
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,319
and he died

1370
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,000
right in front of everyone one night in

1371
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,640
rehearsal at the age of 23

1372
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,720
it was a cerebral hemorrhage and a brain

1373
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:18,720
a brain hemorrhage and a heart attack at

1374
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,680
the same time

1375
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,520
and the guy died right there on the b3

1376
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,880
organ

1377
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:25,119
and that was it man and he taught me

1378
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,240
that day

1379
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,960
play this song play every song like it

1380
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,559
could be your last because you

1381
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,480
never know so every day i'm going to

1382
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,640
live it up before i lay it down

1383
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:37,680
see and then and not only is

1384
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,880
uh that kind of lesson important right

1385
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:43,920
i mean obviously it is but

1386
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,280
that is something that most people would

1387
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,880
know about you

1388
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,640
and how you live your life you know the

1389
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,240
metal cowboy and

1390
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,599
and and how you focus on today

1391
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:58,000
i mean you have to live your life that

1392
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,640
way you

1393
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,559
there there isn't another choice is

1394
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:02,720
there i believe that you know i treasure

1395
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,359
the past

1396
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,119
the memories the experiences that i've

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had have been an amazing ride

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a dream come true for a kid that dropped

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out of high school and went on the road

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to be a rock star

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and all of the amazing blessings that

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this life and this business have given

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me

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i treasure the past and those

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experiences i live for today

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00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,839
but i'm always working for tomorrow i'm

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always planning

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00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,040
like i'm gonna be here and i do still

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believe that the best is yet to come i'm

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00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,240
still hungry for it

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i think that is the the key to success

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not only in music

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or rock and roll but in life and other

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businesses you have to be hungry

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you have to really want to succeed and

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you have to want to deliver a quality

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product and be good at what you do and

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be proud of your work and

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work hard until uh till the clock stops

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and then

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as as edward van halen has shown us

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today you know there may not be that van

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halen reunion that we're all hoping for

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00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,799
man and i was we were all hoping for

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00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,599
that uh

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whether it was david or sammy or both or

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whatever we were all hoping

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00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,839
that that guy would be able to give us

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00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,720
more

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and sometimes it just doesn't work out

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that way but certainly thankful for

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00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,760
for the opportunities and the

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00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,280
experiences that we've all had

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ron we got to take a break i want to do

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00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,440
that right now and when we come back

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uh lots to talk about tonight i want to

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talk about the time that you toured with

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van halen

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i want to talk about your current band i

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mentioned earlier you've always managed

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to surround yourself with the very best

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this band that you've got right now is

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smoking i want to talk about all of that

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too as well

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tonight

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ron keel on the game changer network and

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all right welcome back fade to block i

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mean i'll jimmy church tonight ron keel

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yeah now tomorrow night i think we're

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gonna have a little change in

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programming we're gonna do an ev8 show

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instead of our twitter ama

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and uh yeah let's hang out tomorrow

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01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:11,440
night and tell some van halen stories

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tonight it's

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it's ron keel i'm gonna get ron and tell

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us a van halen story ron

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you toured with van halen and uh

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i don't know how many shows you did uh

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01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:24,799
but i want you to

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01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:28,240
the the first time on that tour

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when you got to hang out with the band

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did you guys get a chance to do that

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01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,640
and and what was it like hanging out

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01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:37,440
with eddie well let me tell you uh the

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the

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this was a

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01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,559
pretty surreal experience after

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growing up and him being such a huge

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01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,960
influence on me and my music and my

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career of course gene simmons

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01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:52,640
produced the original van halen demo

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that got them signed

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01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,599
so gene and eddie are very tight

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and we were in the studio recording our

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final frontier album in 1985

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and we always had gene always had

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guests dropping in stopping by to say

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01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,799
hello to gene it's gene simmons from

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kiss

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and whenever anyone would stop by

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like ted nugent or joan chad we try and

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01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:19,119
get them to play on the record

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01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:20,880
that way you get to say guest appearance

1614
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:22,880
bye and joan jett actually did she

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01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,640
played on a song called raised on rock

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01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,520
on that album

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01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:27,359
when jones stopped by the studio and

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gene invited her and

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she she was amazing and she did a great

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01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:33,119
guitar track on raced on rock well he

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01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,799
invites eddie down to the studio and

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01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:36,720
this is a day that i'm doing lead vocals

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01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:39,039
what studio was it by the way dude i

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don't remember it was one of those

1625
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,000
big la studios that was was it in l.a

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or was it in north hollywood i don't

1627
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,599
remember jimmy okay

1628
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:49,440
i can see it in my mind's eye but you

1629
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know i've been in a couple of studios

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that i believe that i believe do not

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01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,799
remember

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we would we would have to work when gene

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was producing

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the albums he would be on tour with kiss

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a lot of this time and he'd go out for

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two or three or four days and then we'd

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01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,240
get back to town you see i'm here for a

1638
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,079
day let's get some tracking done

1639
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:10,079
we'd go in we'd find a studio and the

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engineer and we'd

1641
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we'd get some tracking done so we did

1642
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,960
move around from one studio to the next

1643
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,559
several times throughout those sessions

1644
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,280
but one of those days he invited edward

1645
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,200
in and eddie came in

1646
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,520
a super nice guy just to meet him and

1647
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,280
hang and have to sing for him

1648
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:27,200
i actually i'm in the booth singing lead

1649
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:28,400
vocals and they're on the other side of

1650
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the glass

1651
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,160
it's gene simmons and edward van halen i

1652
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,240
at the time i was not intimidated today

1653
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:35,920
i'd probably be

1654
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:38,319
a little more uh apprehensive or nervous

1655
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,680
or whatever at the time i was young and

1656
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:41,280
fearless and i'm gonna show these guys

1657
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right

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01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,160
he had a six pack of schlitz malt liquor

1659
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:49,280
right and he he brought it into the the

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01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:50,799
big recording room where i was singing

1661
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,240
and he just kind of sat down at the

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01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:54,160
piano and started tinkling on the piano

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01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,839
and we're talking he's drinking and

1664
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,720
playing and

1665
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i submit eddie you know just can i

1666
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,559
record this whatever you're doing can i

1667
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:02,160
record it and we'll put it on the record

1668
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,839
would you sing a background vocal would

1669
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:05,440
you play a little guitar lick or

1670
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:06,720
something i just wanted edward van

1671
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,079
halen's name

1672
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,559
to be in the credits for our new album

1673
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,319
but eddie was steadfast it didn't matter

1674
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:14,000
how many schlitz malt liquors he drank

1675
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:15,039
he would not

1676
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,719
play on my record unfortunately but what

1677
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:18,080
an amazing memory and

1678
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,159
we ended up we did not tour with van

1679
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,080
halen but we did

1680
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,440
in one day uh what is it june uh july

1681
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:27,440
july 17th 1986

1682
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,000
the biggest show of my career opening

1683
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,000
for van halen at the cotton bowl

1684
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,839
in dallas texas or is it fort worth i

1685
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:35,359
know the texans get bent

1686
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,120
when you mix those two up yeah don't

1687
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:39,600
want to make that mistake yeah okay

1688
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,480
the cotton ball with van halen dio lover

1689
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,359
boy

1690
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:45,920
crocus keel and bachmann turner

1691
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,640
overdrive

1692
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,560
opened up for us that day so what a

1693
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:50,000
surreal experience

1694
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:52,480
to be in front of the official report

1695
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:55,600
now i think stands at 76 000 people but

1696
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,640
at the time i was told 86 000 uh in

1697
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,560
attendance that day i know 800 people

1698
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:02,640
were hospitalized for heat exhaustion it

1699
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,120
was

1700
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:05,839
you know july in texas and uh the bass

1701
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:08,000
player from loverboy passed out on stage

1702
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,120
end of show

1703
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,600
we got through our set okay and then uh

1704
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:13,040
got to experience

1705
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,719
van halen with sammy hagar and i'm a

1706
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,719
huge sammy fan as well i'm i'm not one

1707
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:18,000
of those guys who's on either side of

1708
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:18,719
the fence

1709
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:21,040
i thought sammy and david were both

1710
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:21,920
super

1711
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,359
iconic life-changing front men

1712
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,359
and i was hugely influenced by both of

1713
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,920
them so uh those those two experiences

1714
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,440
with eddie really stand out

1715
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,279
to actually sit there at the piano with

1716
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,120
them and talk and have a beer and

1717
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:37,279
then to actually open up for them eight

1718
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,040
years after that day in high school when

1719
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,040
i heard that first van halen album

1720
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,960
eight years later i'm opening up for

1721
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,799
them at the cotton bowl in front of

1722
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,359
70 80 000 people who's counting but it

1723
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,040
was an amazing day and

1724
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:52,080
an amazing memory it's it's surreal how

1725
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,800
the journey of life uh takes you down

1726
01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:56,080
these roads right

1727
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,719
you can't you can't look at the future

1728
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:00,640
and and predict these things

1729
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:03,199
but inevitably the universe is always

1730
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:04,239
talking to you

1731
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,880
isn't it i mean it's it's just strange

1732
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,239
absolutely you've got to

1733
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:10,560
you've got to stay open to things like

1734
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,920
that and i've always you know i'm a

1735
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,880
control freak

1736
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,800
i've always tried to maintain control of

1737
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,000
my life my music my

1738
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:18,159
career my business but i'm also not

1739
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:19,120
afraid

1740
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,679
to go with the flow there's uh there's

1741
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,360
forces out there and powers that

1742
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:25,040
i don't comprehend or understand but i

1743
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,400
know they're there

1744
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:29,199
you might call it god or the spirit or

1745
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:31,120
destiny or fate or whatever you choose

1746
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,320
to believe

1747
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,239
it's it's bigger than i can comprehend

1748
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,400
but it's there man and it's in our lives

1749
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,120
every day and every every moment and i'm

1750
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:41,600
i'm not afraid to take a big chance

1751
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,440
to go with the flow to if an inspiration

1752
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,120
strikes me whether it's moving

1753
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,320
like we moved to la in in 1980 from

1754
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,920
nashville tennessee

1755
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,800
to we had no idea that that scene in

1756
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,520
hollywood

1757
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,120
on the sunset strip was going to explode

1758
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,960
like it did nobody did jimmy i'll tell

1759
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,840
you right now

1760
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,679
the guys in motley crew and the guys in

1761
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:03,360
rat and the guys in quiet riot we were

1762
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:04,800
all in the same boat

1763
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:07,760
and the record industry at the time as

1764
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,239
you know

1765
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,480
you mentioned that they killed disco the

1766
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,239
record industry at the time told us

1767
01:11:16,790 --> 01:11:14,800
all that we were digging our own graves

1768
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,800
nobody's ever gonna buy this nobody's

1769
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,400
ever gonna play it on the radio

1770
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,159
you guys are wasting your time and they

1771
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:21,600
told it to crew

1772
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:24,960
quiet riot rat steeler and uh

1773
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,280
we just kept on going because we saw

1774
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:29,040
what was going on in the streets what

1775
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,560
the young people wanted to hear

1776
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,400
this music is the music of the wild and

1777
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:34,080
the young and that spirit

1778
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:37,280
was alive and well in 1980 81

1779
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,320
82 on the sunset strip so we

1780
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,880
i couldn't predict that i i thought that

1781
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:44,000
there's a good chance

1782
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,679
that this british invasion that's

1783
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:47,360
happening overseas with bands like def

1784
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,080
leppard

1785
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,400
iron maiden judas priest it's exploding

1786
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:51,760
overseas

1787
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:55,120
it could infect the u.s and if it does

1788
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:57,360
where is that going to happen new york

1789
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:58,480
maybe l.a

1790
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,520
certainly not going to happen in

1791
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,400
nashville in 1980 so

1792
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,440
i was not only instinct told me you've

1793
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,360
got to get to la somehow you've got to

1794
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:08,880
get you and your band

1795
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,440
out to the west coast and also to be

1796
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:13,040
honest with you man i was running from a

1797
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:13,679
woman

1798
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:17,520
my first ex-wife who that was a very

1799
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:20,159
uh difficult uh situation i was married

1800
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:21,360
at 19

1801
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,199
and i i finally got my divorce papers

1802
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:27,120
the moment i got my divorce papers i

1803
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:28,880
mean the truck was loaded the van was

1804
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,440
loaded

1805
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:31,120
we're ready to go to la but i can't go

1806
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,199
until i get the papers signed all right

1807
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,040
we got my divorce papers got in the

1808
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,880
truck headed west i went as far west as

1809
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,239
i could possibly go to get away from

1810
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,840
that woman i ended up on the sunset

1811
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:41,520
strip

1812
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:43,040
you think you're the only one with that

1813
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:44,800
story ron

1814
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,280
right probably not no probably not and

1815
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:49,199
uh i wanted to ask you because

1816
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:52,960
the vibrant scene that was going on then

1817
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:55,600
uh you know going out onto the sunset

1818
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,320
strip

1819
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:58,560
uh and again if you weren't there you

1820
01:13:03,110 --> 01:12:59,840
just don't know but

1821
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,120
from gil turner's to the whiskey

1822
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:05,840
right that three block that four block

1823
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:06,480
run

1824
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:09,600
with 5 000 people on the sidewalk

1825
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,800
right at seven nights a week uh

1826
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:15,520
to to support the bands and just i don't

1827
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:18,080
think most people cared who was playing

1828
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,280
right every club had somebody there and

1829
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:23,360
if you took the time you could walk down

1830
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,480
doheny

1831
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,239
and head down to the troubadour and see

1832
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:28,640
what was going on down there

1833
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:32,080
and part of that scene a big part of it

1834
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:35,679
was was gina zamparalli and the way that

1835
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:36,159
she

1836
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:39,199
believed in what was happening there

1837
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:43,520
how did you meet gina i met gina

1838
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,960
uh out and about in hollywood and she

1839
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,640
was an amazing person who did a lot for

1840
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,040
a lot of these bands in this industry

1841
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:53,520
but gina was the next level up promoter

1842
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,480
she was booking

1843
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:56,480
a venue called perkins palace in

1844
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,040
pasadena big shows yep and she booked us

1845
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:01,120
on the bill opening for

1846
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:04,320
y and t and quiet riot in pasadena now

1847
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:05,280
we ended up

1848
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,920
we had a big following in the outlying

1849
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,000
areas such as pasadena

1850
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:12,080
because when we went to hollywood in los

1851
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:13,840
angeles we were the nashville guys we

1852
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,880
were the country boys

1853
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:17,120
from nashville and we could not get a

1854
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,480
break we could not

1855
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,280
uh crack that club scene and play gigs

1856
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:23,040
at the whiskey or the troubadour it took

1857
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:24,400
a while

1858
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:27,360
we went to the clubs in pasadena in

1859
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,080
burbank

1860
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,159
at hj's on lancashire boulevard was the

1861
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:31,760
first gig we did there

1862
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,159
in southern california and we played in

1863
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:36,640
in uh the outlying areas orange county

1864
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,520
the valley

1865
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,440
did you ever play did you ever play the

1866
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,800
morgue

1867
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,480
i don't think so okay just a quick

1868
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:45,120
question okay moving on moving on uh

1869
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,960
and we built a following in the outlying

1870
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:48,320
areas because they wouldn't let us into

1871
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:49,040
hollywood

1872
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:50,640
they were taking care of their their own

1873
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,800
people like you know rat and crew and

1874
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:55,520
and uh quiet ryan kevin dubrow and those

1875
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:56,000
guys got

1876
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,600
the good gigs we couldn't get the good

1877
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,120
gigs and finally i

1878
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:01,040
banged on the door of the whiskey every

1879
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:02,640
day for eight months

1880
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:04,960
until the woman who booked the whiskey

1881
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,520
her name was dede

1882
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:09,440
a lot of people will all know the rest

1883
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,800
of that story but

1884
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,800
the the at that point i had never met

1885
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,920
her and

1886
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:15,679
she finally just got sick of me showing

1887
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,679
up said okay just give him a gig

1888
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,360
put him on a monday night or something

1889
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:20,960
midnight on a monday

1890
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:23,600
and we we did the mon the monday at

1891
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:24,080
midnight

1892
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:26,159
slot and put out our mailing list and

1893
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:27,440
our flyers and promoted

1894
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:29,520
and all of our fans from pasadena and

1895
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:31,360
the valley in orange county they all

1896
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:33,199
converged upon the whiskey on a monday

1897
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,760
night

1898
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,840
we packed a joint and then that put us

1899
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,920
on the map i ended up marrying her by

1900
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:39,760
the way she is the mother of my children

1901
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:43,040
and my second ex-wife that was the woman

1902
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,440
who

1903
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:45,120
i knocked on her door for eight months

1904
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:47,840
straight and couldn't get a meeting or

1905
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,920
even an acknowledgement she booked us

1906
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,600
then she married me and she's the mother

1907
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:53,360
of my children and uh

1908
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,520
but then that marriage lasted 17 years

1909
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,640
and so

1910
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,800
i've i don't know i don't want to get

1911
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,239
off on that tangent but

1912
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:02,159
it was tough to break into that scene

1913
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,239
and it was very uh

1914
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:06,000
local radio was huge for us at the time

1915
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:07,440
joe benson at kos

1916
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:10,239
yep uh we did one show our first show in

1917
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,440
southern california

1918
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:14,000
great story at least it is for me anyway

1919
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:15,600
because we had spent a ton of money we

1920
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,880
got the truck and the crew and the

1921
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:18,560
lights and the pyro and the clothes and

1922
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:19,199
the

1923
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,800
and we got our first gig

1924
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,800
in uh southern california at a place

1925
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,040
called hj's on lancashire boulevard

1926
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:29,199
and we set up the whole production and

1927
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,719
we were ready to do our show and there's

1928
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:31,679
one guy

1929
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:36,000
in the back and we did our gig man and

1930
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:37,360
that's the only way i know how to do it

1931
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,679
full

1932
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:39,679
on there's no there's no holding back

1933
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,800
there's no mailing it in

1934
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,880
i did our gig the way with the pyro and

1935
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:44,640
the the choreographed moves and the big

1936
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:45,760
hair and the screams and

1937
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:48,320
all that and at the end of the show i

1938
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:49,120
went out

1939
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,880
and met this guy and i said well thank

1940
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:52,239
you for being here hope you enjoyed the

1941
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:53,440
show and he says well

1942
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:56,000
i'm joel benson from klos radio and i'm

1943
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,360
going to put you on the radio and he

1944
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:59,120
took our demo and he put it on the local

1945
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,719
music show on klos

1946
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:02,560
and all of a sudden all of southern

1947
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:04,960
california knew who steeler was and that

1948
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,280
combined with that first whiskey gig

1949
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:09,120
really uh put us on the map and all of a

1950
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,920
sudden we were

1951
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,520
we're hollywood guys now we weren't the

1952
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,440
nashville cats anymore we were

1953
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,400
right where we belonged i remember uh

1954
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:18,239
i'll just share this story with you

1955
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,040
because

1956
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:22,159
it involves you um i i met gina through

1957
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:23,040
her dad

1958
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:26,719
mario and he was a client of ours and

1959
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:29,600
and we were friends but um i wanted he

1960
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:30,800
he was an artist

1961
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:34,640
and he worked for howard hughes and he

1962
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,560
uh i wanted to talk art with him

1963
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,400
i was an artist and i wanted to talk art

1964
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:41,920
but i had long hair

1965
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,560
he wanted to talk rock and roll with me

1966
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:46,400
and i could never fee he was always

1967
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:46,960
trying to

1968
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:49,440
turn the camera and he goes uh so he

1969
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:50,560
comes in one day and he

1970
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,679
brings in a stack of flyers sunset strip

1971
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:55,520
flyers and he puts it down

1972
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:59,199
and he goes um what do you do jimmy and

1973
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:00,800
i said well you know i'm an artist he's

1974
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:02,480
no what do you really do

1975
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:04,719
i said well i play guitar he's like

1976
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:05,840
exactly

1977
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,719
i want you to meet my daughter gina this

1978
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:10,640
is what she does and he puts down the

1979
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:12,000
stack of flyers

1980
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:16,960
and the top flyer is keel right

1981
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:20,320
and uh uh perkins palace or

1982
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,800
you know and i'm looking i go does she

1983
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,840
know ron keel

1984
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,600
right i think she does

1985
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,920
well okay i'll meet gina if she can

1986
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:31,360
introduce me to ron keel

1987
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:34,480
that's a true story that is straight up

1988
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:35,120
and of course

1989
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,719
she introduced us yeah in the rainbow

1990
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,239
parking lot yeah yeah yeah

1991
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:40,080
she was she was an amazing lady and just

1992
01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,320
super nice she saw something in me and

1993
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:44,000
something in the band and believed in us

1994
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,560
and

1995
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,960
gave us some amazing opportunities at

1996
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:48,880
perkins palace to headline

1997
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,440
a 1700 capacity venue this is not a club

1998
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:52,880
this was uh

1999
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,840
a theater type venue and the wadsworth

2000
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:56,880
theater also there's

2001
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,679
wadsworth at ucla yeah that's right she

2002
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:01,360
gave us an opportunity to headline

2003
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,000
and sell out the wadsworth theater and

2004
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,560
those big gigs

2005
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:08,000
you take it to the next level you're

2006
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:09,440
getting out of the clubs and the whiskey

2007
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:11,040
you know keel never played the whiskey

2008
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,960
until 2013.

2009
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,280
keel netkeel by the time i put keel

2010
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:19,440
together we were already headlining

2011
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:21,520
we headlined perkins palace our debut

2012
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:24,400
show so we had 1700 people the whiskey

2013
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,600
only holds what three four hundred

2014
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,760
people so right right we were already

2015
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,320
out of that level or that echelon by the

2016
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:32,159
time i had formed keel out of the ashes

2017
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,040
of steeler

2018
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,440
and gina believed in us and she was

2019
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:37,600
always a huge supporter of mine and i i

2020
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:39,760
tried to reciprocate when she

2021
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:42,159
gave so so much effort to keep perkins

2022
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,880
palace

2023
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:45,040
from being torn down i joined her in

2024
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,120
that fight was proud to do so

2025
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:49,280
and uh did some radio with her i know we

2026
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:52,199
had a radio interview together

2027
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,520
2014 i think was the last time that we

2028
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,840
actually spoke and the news of her

2029
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:58,880
passing was was

2030
01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:00,880
obviously very shocking it's always

2031
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,000
heartbreaking when some

2032
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,880
someone like that so sweet and so young

2033
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,080
passes away uh

2034
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,560
so early but her memory certainly lives

2035
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:09,840
on with guys like you and me and her

2036
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:10,320
legacy

2037
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,520
what she did with that southern

2038
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,760
california rock scene

2039
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:15,280
she she was a big part of that and she's

2040
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,560
still a big part of our lives in our

2041
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:18,000
hearts i'm glad we could mention her on

2042
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:18,800
the show tonight

2043
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:21,199
yeah yeah and i'm so with you on that is

2044
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:22,000
she

2045
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:26,960
was about gina look somebody

2046
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,120
look in twitter right now somebody just

2047
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,800
posted a picture of gina

2048
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,880
oh cool yeah how cool is that there she

2049
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:34,800
is that's awesome um

2050
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:38,639
uh she uh i'm going to just say this

2051
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:39,520
really quickly

2052
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:43,840
um she took things to a level

2053
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:47,360
of class right she was a

2054
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:50,960
classy person and her shows her flyers

2055
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:55,360
uh the posters the venues um

2056
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:57,520
she she took rock and roll and made it

2057
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,679
respectable

2058
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:00,880
yeah she always did everything

2059
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,800
first-rate first-rate the security and

2060
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:04,800
the insurance to the production and

2061
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:08,000
promotion everything and she was class

2062
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,880
and she was a nice girl she was not the

2063
01:21:14,149 --> 01:21:12,560
kind of person you'd expect to meet in

2064
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,159
hollywood in 1982

2065
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,080
but i'm glad i met her and uh glad i

2066
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,600
knew her yeah regal

2067
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:19,760
i think is the right word right right

2068
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:20,719
regal absolutely

2069
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:24,239
um uh how did you i just have to

2070
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,520
ask how did you uh meet rick fox how did

2071
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,040
that happen

2072
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,840
now see the thing is rick bass player

2073
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:32,880
here in l.a

2074
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:36,480
rick knew everybody that guy

2075
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,280
was a networker uh and continues to be

2076
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:41,440
but how did you meet him

2077
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,159
you know i don't remember i know rick

2078
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:45,920
claims to remember

2079
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:48,159
but i i'm pretty sure it was at the

2080
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,120
rainbow

2081
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:51,199
and at the time i was looking for a bass

2082
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:53,280
player for steeler

2083
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:56,639
and this guy just just oozed

2084
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:00,960
rockstar and you could tell that he was

2085
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:04,480
young uh energetic charismatic magnetic

2086
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,840
a great uh you know and we're still

2087
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:09,280
really really good friends to this day

2088
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:10,000
of course rick

2089
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,760
was part of keel fest last year when we

2090
01:22:14,310 --> 01:22:13,199
put the band back together and did our

2091
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,320
first show in

2092
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,320
33 years rick was right there on stage

2093
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,239
with me and he's playing better now than

2094
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:19,760
he played back then

2095
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,520
and i don't remember the exact story

2096
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:23,440
about how we met but

2097
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,120
in my book i tell the story and rick's

2098
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:27,040
always trying to correct me we met at

2099
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:28,000
the rainbow

2100
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,600
and had dinner but i don't remember

2101
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,960
actually meeting him but i know that we

2102
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:32,080
had the meeting

2103
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,679
where i offered him the gig at the

2104
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:36,159
rainbow but

2105
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,760
did he audition uh

2106
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:41,280
i don't think so yeah i don't think i

2107
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:42,880
would that's rick

2108
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:44,960
right yeah i don't think so i think i

2109
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:47,600
think uh he got the gig just on

2110
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,280
the fact that he was obviously a rock

2111
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,360
star and we we thought alike

2112
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:52,800
and it's just bass man i mean it's you

2113
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,520
know anybody can play that right

2114
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,520
audition i don't think i've ever

2115
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,239
auditioned a bass player jimmy come on

2116
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:03,360
let's light up twitter tonight

2117
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:07,199
oh man look uh a great bass player

2118
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:10,880
that might be uh and drummers don't get

2119
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,000
offended

2120
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,639
uh guitar players are out there but a

2121
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,159
good bass player

2122
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,400
you find them you keep them once you get

2123
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,000
them absolutely and that's

2124
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,239
why my bass player in ron keel band has

2125
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,480
been with me for 22 years now

2126
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,320
gino arcy he's like a brother to me

2127
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:28,239
we've shared a lot of road and a lot of

2128
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:28,880
uh

2129
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,040
life

2130
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,960
he's also the bass player in keele when

2131
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:39,120
keel is still active doing one or two

2132
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:40,400
shows a year at some of these big

2133
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,360
festivals or

2134
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,440
events like the monsters of rock cruise

2135
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:45,120
but you're right the base is super

2136
01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:46,719
important man that's the meat that holds

2137
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:48,080
the whole sandwich together the

2138
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,600
drummer's got to keep the groove

2139
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:51,199
the guitars and the vocals are screaming

2140
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:53,120
out front but that bass player

2141
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:56,639
is the heart and soul of of every style

2142
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:58,159
of music not just rock but

2143
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:01,280
country and and i

2144
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:04,400
i don't mean to demean the position but

2145
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,480
at the time in that early 80s

2146
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,239
genre that kind of stuff that i was

2147
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:12,000
doing the songs that i was writing

2148
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:14,080
i mean their three chord the right to

2149
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,520
rock you could play with your pinky i

2150
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,960
mean you can play the whole song with

2151
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,040
your one finger with your pinky it's a

2152
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:22,159
very ac dc-ish kind of rip and just like

2153
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,159
ac dc who i'm a huge fan of

2154
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:26,239
huge influence on me the bass player

2155
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,430
the this ride the riff on top of that

2156
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:32,800
drummer keeps the groove but

2157
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,719
the bass player you know you can play

2158
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:36,560
the other strings if you want to but you

2159
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:37,600
don't have to just

2160
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:40,239
ride that low a for me send all your

2161
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,400
email to ron at ronkeel.com

2162
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,280
but this is the thing there are no

2163
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,840
unemployed bass players

2164
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:52,480
right there are no unemployed bass

2165
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:52,960
players

2166
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,159
they know this they've got one over

2167
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:58,639
on everybody in the band they ain't

2168
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,080
getting fired

2169
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,960
right and they will always work the

2170
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:04,960
doors had an unemployed bass player

2171
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:08,560
it was a big toe that's a fact

2172
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:11,679
i couldn't believe the first time i saw

2173
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:15,199
a door's live right concert

2174
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:19,280
and i'm like oh the rumors are true

2175
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,120
right holy crap rayman zarek was no joke

2176
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:24,960
right

2177
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,199
bass players don't uh don't come down

2178
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,800
too hard on me i do appreciate the

2179
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,880
position and it is is extremely

2180
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:31,679
important

2181
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:36,320
as invade momstein and i i thought it

2182
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:37,920
was cool at the time

2183
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:40,000
because momstein was the musical genius

2184
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:41,360
and rick was the rock star

2185
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:43,600
very much like getting back to van halen

2186
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,560
again all

2187
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,400
roads lead back to van halen because i

2188
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,080
always thought that combination of

2189
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:50,800
edwards musical genius and david lee

2190
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:51,360
roth's

2191
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,040
rock star persona was a perfect match

2192
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,159
dave was vocally not

2193
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,840
on the level that edward was as a

2194
01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:01,679
musician obviously but he was a front

2195
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:03,440
man he was a rock star he was a

2196
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:06,719
a spokesman and a symbol and i always

2197
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:08,480
thought that that was uh that was super

2198
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,679
important and that's what i tried to

2199
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,280
achieve with that steeler lineup on my

2200
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:12,880
left i've got the greatest guitar player

2201
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:13,600
in the world

2202
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:15,040
and on my right i've got the biggest

2203
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:17,040
rock star in hollywood oh we left out

2204
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,239
the country club

2205
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:20,400
how did you manage to do that we just

2206
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:21,360
named out

2207
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:23,360
and we left out the country club hey you

2208
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,880
know what out of uh

2209
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:26,800
and i want to talk about uh what's going

2210
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:29,440
on today musically for you

2211
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:33,679
um but the country club for me

2212
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:37,040
was like the place right it was out of

2213
01:26:40,709 --> 01:26:39,199
the way it's in resida it wasn't on the

2214
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,719
sunset strip but it was

2215
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,920
freaking huge had a great sound system

2216
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,320
and when you packed that place it was

2217
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:48,639
the place to be in all of los angeles

2218
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,440
wasn't it

2219
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,679
it was the best venue to see one of

2220
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:52,880
those

2221
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:55,840
80s rock shows i think the capacity was

2222
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:56,320
about

2223
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,199
800 but it looked bigger than that a

2224
01:27:02,830 --> 01:27:01,280
nice big open room it felt like you were

2225
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,840
playing in an arena

2226
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:04,560
yeah stages a lot of shows there yeah

2227
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:05,920
stage stage

2228
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,840
yeah a lot of great memories both

2229
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,840
headlining and opening up for some

2230
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:12,000
some of my heroes at the country club

2231
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,440
and that was when

2232
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,600
when when you could graduate out of the

2233
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:17,040
troubadour in the whiskey you would go

2234
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,000
play the country club

2235
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:20,080
and and the national acts they could

2236
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:21,760
bring in bands that

2237
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,600
were touring and you could either open

2238
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,840
for them or we headlined and sometimes

2239
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:27,520
headlined two shows there in one night

2240
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:29,120
we did the keel christmas there every

2241
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:29,679
year

2242
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,040
where we would do one show and

2243
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:35,280
it was december 22nd or 23rd usually a

2244
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:36,960
couple days before christmas we did a

2245
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,600
show

2246
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,400
and then clear the place out and pack it

2247
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:42,239
all over again so you sell out two shows

2248
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,280
in one night

2249
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:46,320
and an amazing venue there was uh

2250
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,320
it was a very special time and place for

2251
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,639
rock and roll and we all saw

2252
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:52,800
a lot of great bands at these venues

2253
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,480
that we're talking about the whiskey and

2254
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,880
perkins palace and the country club and

2255
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,840
uh it's

2256
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,520
like i said i'm very thankful for to

2257
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:01,120
have been a part of that scene and to

2258
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:02,639
have all those memories and

2259
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,520
uh to have experienced that it's amazing

2260
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:07,440
as a front man

2261
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:10,480
uh to i want to talk about singers and

2262
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,760
their personalities

2263
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:14,400
for a second guitar players are very

2264
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,280
competitive

2265
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,400
and they don't actually hang out right

2266
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,320
they like to say that they do but they

2267
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:22,560
don't hang out with other guitar players

2268
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:25,040
and that's just the way it is bass

2269
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:26,800
players will hang out with each other by

2270
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:27,520
the way

2271
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:30,800
drummers drummers will have a hardware

2272
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:34,000
conversation about kick drum pedals or

2273
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:34,960
some crazy

2274
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,000
symbol mount for hours on end right

2275
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:40,480
there's a camaraderie there does the

2276
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,159
same thing happen with singers

2277
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,000
uh do you guys hang out or is it

2278
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:46,800
competitive it certainly does now

2279
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:48,800
you know it in the past couple of

2280
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:49,920
decades

2281
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:53,040
some of my best friends in the world are

2282
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,320
some of these singers that

2283
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,320
we were peers and contemporaries back in

2284
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,639
the day a guy like paul scortino who's

2285
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:00,800
saying with roughcut quiet riot

2286
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:03,600
paul is one of my very best friends on

2287
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:04,639
the planet

2288
01:29:08,229 --> 01:29:07,679
at the time jack russell also a dear

2289
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,239
friend

2290
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,560
at the time back in the 80s jimmy and

2291
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:11,760
you had mentioned this earlier that it

2292
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,040
was like a family

2293
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:15,040
and i never felt any of that i'm glad

2294
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:17,120
you did but it was extremely

2295
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:20,239
competitive we were all competing for uh

2296
01:29:24,629 --> 01:29:21,280
attendance

2297
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,639
uh attention all the girls the the the

2298
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,920
party favors

2299
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:28,080
the airplay it was extremely the next

2300
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:29,280
record deal who's going to get the next

2301
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:30,800
record deal and when somebody got a

2302
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:31,600
record deal

2303
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,040
you didn't applaud them or cheer for

2304
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:35,120
them yeah way to go great wide rack had

2305
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:36,080
a record deal no

2306
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:38,080
you were pissed you were angry because

2307
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:39,600
that's true you want you wanted that

2308
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,920
deal

2309
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,280
you wanted that girl and you wanted that

2310
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:43,679
sold out uh country club or

2311
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,320
or perkins palace or whiskey gig uh so

2312
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:48,320
it was very competitive back then

2313
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:51,040
now there is uh a fraternity of guys

2314
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:52,320
that survived

2315
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:55,280
anyway that that are now really really

2316
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,960
tight and i'm glad to be a part of that

2317
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:58,560
fraternity and and have these great

2318
01:30:00,390 --> 01:30:00,080
friendships with guys and i interview

2319
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,400
them

2320
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:03,199
on my radio show every week and i've got

2321
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:04,080
these guys

2322
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:05,840
it's just like being reunited with an

2323
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:07,360
old friend when we get on the mic like

2324
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:07,920
you and our

2325
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:10,159
you and i are tonight we're uh we're

2326
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:11,920
reliving the past and

2327
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:14,560
showcasing what we're doing today and i

2328
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:17,120
i do feel that

2329
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,239
back in the day this was unheard of

2330
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:23,040
two front men on the same tour sharing a

2331
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,520
room

2332
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,440
when we toured with quiet riot this was

2333
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,800
87

2334
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:28,400
right before the bon jovi tour we toured

2335
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:30,080
with quiet riot and they were a little

2336
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:30,400
bit

2337
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:32,000
you know they were on the downside of

2338
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:33,760
things mental health had worn off and it

2339
01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,440
was their third album

2340
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:37,679
and they were not selling out the arenas

2341
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:39,360
but it was an arena tour and we were the

2342
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:41,600
opening act on that quiet riot tour

2343
01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:44,400
kevin dubrow and i were were very close

2344
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:44,800
and

2345
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:47,199
ended up sharing a room on the tour i

2346
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:49,120
would ride on quiet rides tour bus and

2347
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:50,719
kevin and i shared a room this is back

2348
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,000
in 87

2349
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:54,080
and uh kevin was was a dear dear friend

2350
01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:56,320
of mine who was one of the greatest guys

2351
01:31:01,270 --> 01:30:59,440
that uh ever held a mic in his hand and

2352
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:01,280
broke open those barriers for all of us

2353
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:03,280
as you recall it was quiet riot with

2354
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,400
mental health

2355
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:06,320
that really broke broke open the

2356
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:08,239
floodgates for bands like motley crew

2357
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:12,480
rat and myself i you know what was

2358
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,159
we were talking about synchronicities

2359
01:31:20,149 --> 01:31:16,639
earlier and

2360
01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:20,159
when i came to la

2361
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:22,719
uh one of the uh uh you know through

2362
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:23,360
gina

2363
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:27,040
and i'm meeting uh uh

2364
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:29,600
some of these people that i looked up to

2365
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:31,679
quiet riot was one of the first

2366
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:35,280
uh bands that that i had met back in the

2367
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:38,560
day day right well anyway um

2368
01:31:42,149 --> 01:31:41,520
i would have never guessed that later on

2369
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:42,159
rudy

2370
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:45,440
for many years

2371
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:49,280
uh together in sherman oaks um

2372
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:51,760
that happened i ended up recording quiet

2373
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:52,480
riot

2374
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:55,440
and and and doing things with the band

2375
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:56,159
and

2376
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:00,239
a side when

2377
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:03,280
kevin and you were his roommate so you

2378
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:05,840
know exactly what i'm about to say

2379
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:09,040
kevin away from a crowd of people

2380
01:32:16,149 --> 01:32:12,239
was one of the coolest gentle i mean

2381
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:16,159
i the coolest and and i got to see that

2382
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:17,360
side of him

2383
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,639
the other side that i saw with kevin

2384
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:23,040
when he was around groups of people

2385
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:25,440
he would let that that affect him and

2386
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:26,960
and and it was

2387
01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,880
and i just didn't get it because i saw

2388
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:30,320
both sides

2389
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:33,600
like how could this be but i i i guess

2390
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:37,199
uh for me what i understood was i never

2391
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,600
i never knew what it was like to to be

2392
01:32:43,510 --> 01:32:41,440
in front of a hundred thousand people

2393
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:43,520
to have that success to have a char

2394
01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:44,800
topping album

2395
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:47,440
and what that does to you the real kevin

2396
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:48,239
de bro

2397
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:50,800
was on ice man i really like that guy a

2398
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:51,679
lot

2399
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:53,280
absolutely and not just to have that

2400
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,040
success but to be the guy

2401
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:57,360
the guy the guy that made metal

2402
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:58,080
mainstream

2403
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:01,280
i mean that was him and uh it certainly

2404
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:02,400
after all he'd been through and

2405
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:04,560
how hard he'd worked and struggled and

2406
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:06,159
uh

2407
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,639
maybe in the press you would see some of

2408
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:10,400
his commentary about

2409
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:13,199
uh he was speaking the truth and being

2410
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:13,760
himself

2411
01:33:17,270 --> 01:33:15,840
and it got taken wrong the same thing

2412
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:17,280
happened to me and i'm not sure if

2413
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,040
you're up against a break now or not but

2414
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,080
uh we

2415
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:25,440
i'm sorry network we blew past the

2416
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:28,239
break i've got my eye on the clock and

2417
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:28,560
i'm

2418
01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:30,159
going uh oh he's gonna have to cut me

2419
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:32,400
off here soon right

2420
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,719
oh man can we save this story for when i

2421
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:36,000
come back so i can pay some

2422
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:39,280
bills let's do that right now rod keel

2423
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:41,280
that's what it's like to have a

2424
01:33:44,950 --> 01:33:43,520
conversation on my couch right there

2425
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,960
thank you so much ron let's stay right

2426
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:46,480
there this is fade to black i'm yours

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01:33:56,460 --> 01:33:48,159
jimmy church we'll be right back

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you are listening to fade to black with

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hi i'm reece vance you're listening to

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01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:32,480
jimmy church

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01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,600
this is revolution the revolution will

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01:37:44,130 --> 01:37:36,880
not be televised

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01:38:28,229 --> 01:37:46,830
[Music]

2514
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,430
fade to black our guest tonight ron keel

2515
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,840
and uh it's a rock and roll show tonight

2516
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:35,360
and a little paranormal we're gonna get

2517
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:36,639
some ufos in

2518
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:39,199
somebody just uh uh tweeted ron it says

2519
01:38:42,149 --> 01:38:40,960
uh for me this has been one of my

2520
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:42,159
favorite shows in a long time

2521
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,280
thrown some ufo stories uh with the rock

2522
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:46,800
in the metal and it's going to be

2523
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:48,960
perfect

2524
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:52,080
so ron since it's a rock and roll show i

2525
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,440
i i i went out uh to the vault

2526
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:57,280
during the break and i pulled this in

2527
01:39:03,030 --> 01:38:59,040
just to show you

2528
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:03,040
is that tasty oh my is that tasty

2529
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:04,560
i hope everybody's watching on the

2530
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:06,639
bunker cans yeah they are that

2531
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:09,040
is that tasty that is uh that's tasty

2532
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:09,840
man

2533
01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:12,480
that's tasty you know what you know

2534
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:13,119
what's funny

2535
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:16,320
i never play it yeah just

2536
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:19,920
no i don't look at it i'll play it yeah

2537
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:22,159
you mentioned it you mentioned spinal

2538
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:23,440
tap earlier right

2539
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:26,960
don't even don't don't even look at it

2540
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:30,239
did it just fall over yeah no

2541
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:35,520
i i i'm too uh unto a chair so i'm okay

2542
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:38,639
but uh yeah i don't it's too beautiful

2543
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,119
i just uh i just look at it before the

2544
01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:42,880
break you started to uh

2545
01:39:47,350 --> 01:39:45,679
tell us about being yourself well yeah

2546
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:47,360
kevin was uh

2547
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:50,159
vilified in the media during the you

2548
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:50,719
know that

2549
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:53,520
when quiet riot uh had not run their

2550
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:54,480
course but

2551
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:55,920
it was after a couple of albums and

2552
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,400
kevin was not

2553
01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:00,639
totally complimentary or i mean i don't

2554
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:01,840
remember the exact quote

2555
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:04,719
but he was being himself and i tried the

2556
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:06,000
same thing at that time

2557
01:40:10,229 --> 01:40:08,480
jimmy because everybody had a gimmick or

2558
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,239
a look or an image or a

2559
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:12,719
some type of uh angle that that set them

2560
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,440
apart from each other and i thought

2561
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,760
after the right to rock came out which

2562
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:19,520
was a big record produced by gene

2563
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:20,239
simmons the

2564
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:22,000
fastest selling debut album in a m

2565
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:24,639
records history we sold 90 000 albums

2566
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,119
the first

2567
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,199
week and all of a sudden we're on you

2568
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,000
know circus magazine and all over mtv

2569
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,880
and throughout the course of that year

2570
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:34,960
and that experience that right to rock

2571
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:38,560
tour and i started to realize that

2572
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:40,159
people are listening man you know

2573
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,679
they're listening to the lyrics

2574
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,600
and you can only sing about sex drugs

2575
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:45,840
and rock and roll so much

2576
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:48,800
uh gene was was very much about sex not

2577
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,080
so much the drugs but

2578
01:40:54,629 --> 01:40:52,480
the the sex was was a big topic with

2579
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:54,639
with gene simmons music and he wanted

2580
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:55,520
that to be a

2581
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:58,560
a big part of my subject matter we had

2582
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,360
uh

2583
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:01,760
really changed some lives with the right

2584
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:03,040
to rock that song about

2585
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,719
freedom of expression the right to be

2586
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,560
yourself and do what you want to do and

2587
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:08,400
and fight fight the good fights so to

2588
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:09,679
speak so

2589
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:12,480
for our follow-up album i wanted to sing

2590
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:13,360
about things that

2591
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:15,119
that meant something to me that i

2592
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:17,679
thought i if i could make a difference

2593
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,159
if people are really listening i want to

2594
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,080
write a song that's hopeful and positive

2595
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:24,320
about the future of mankind that we will

2596
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,440
survive all the

2597
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,760
the crap that that the world is going

2598
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,760
through and things will get better much

2599
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:30,880
like star trek

2600
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:33,199
was a positive message we're gonna get

2601
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:34,400
rid of uh

2602
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,080
racism and and uh everybody's gonna get

2603
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,159
along and work together and explore the

2604
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,840
universe together so i call that second

2605
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:43,440
album the final frontier

2606
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:45,360
and that's what that song is about that

2607
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,360
was our highest charting record in 86

2608
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,119
gene simmons also produced that one but

2609
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:50,880
he let me have free reign with the music

2610
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,480
and the lyrics on that record

2611
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,880
and a very positive message we'll face

2612
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:55,760
our destiny

2613
01:41:59,750 --> 01:41:57,360
on the final frontier and i thought it

2614
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:59,760
was just a great a great way to express

2615
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:01,119
what i really felt and what i really

2616
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,920
thought

2617
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,280
and people didn't want that man they

2618
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:05,119
wanted the sex drugs and rock and roll

2619
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:07,840
and despite the success of that record

2620
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,400
shardings

2621
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,920
as high as it did the writing was

2622
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,440
already on the wall

2623
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:13,520
at the time people didn't want the guy

2624
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,920
next door i was

2625
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,840
i would uh you know with the groupies

2626
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:19,920
and and the the debauchery that happened

2627
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:20,880
backstage

2628
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:24,239
i became a father in 1984 and i had a

2629
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,480
a baby girl at home and i realized that

2630
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:28,800
some of these young ladies that were

2631
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:31,440
carousing backstage or at the hotel room

2632
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,400
afterward

2633
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:34,719
i mean they got a dad somewhere too you

2634
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:36,080
know and

2635
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:38,000
rather than take advantage of them i

2636
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:39,360
started giving them 20

2637
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:41,520
bills and calling a cab and i would send

2638
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:42,560
send a little

2639
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:44,880
i tell them you don't want to do this

2640
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:46,400
you're in the wrong place this isn't for

2641
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:47,040
you here's

2642
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:49,520
20 let's get you a cab and get you home

2643
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,159
and i was vilified in the media

2644
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:54,960
for being oh the goody goody guy next

2645
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,600
door

2646
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:57,280
whatever and i was trying to do

2647
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:59,119
something positive both with my music

2648
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:00,960
and with my actions and it backfired on

2649
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:03,360
me nowadays i think we've come full

2650
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:03,920
circle

2651
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:07,119
and people are way more accepting of

2652
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:10,320
people being real people being yourself

2653
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:11,040
and and

2654
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,719
being able to express myself like you

2655
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,840
and i are just doing right here on the

2656
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,679
couch tonight just having a conversation

2657
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:17,119
i don't have to put on an act

2658
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:20,000
it's not halloween it's not uh a

2659
01:43:24,709 --> 01:43:21,760
character that i'm portraying

2660
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:24,719
anymore it's just me being me i'm much

2661
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:26,159
more comfortable doing that

2662
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,840
and i think the audience the fans and

2663
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:29,440
the listeners and the people that are

2664
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,679
still following me and enjoying my music

2665
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:34,000
and my shows relate to that and

2666
01:43:39,270 --> 01:43:35,520
appreciate me because of it

2667
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:39,280
i remember uh this was this was a while

2668
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,239
ago

2669
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,639
uh and your name came up in in a

2670
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:43,920
conversation

2671
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:46,159
you know 15 years ago or something your

2672
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:47,920
name comes up in a conversation

2673
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:52,080
and somebody says uh

2674
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:55,440
ron's in vegas he's doing country

2675
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:57,440
right and i remember i said i went you

2676
01:44:02,310 --> 01:43:58,480
know what

2677
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:02,320
that kind of makes some sense to me

2678
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:05,520
and i was like yeah good for ron

2679
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:08,480
tell me about that transition was it was

2680
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:09,520
it a natural thing

2681
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:11,040
or is it something that you always

2682
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:12,639
wanted to do

2683
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,119
well i think it has to be somewhat

2684
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,040
natural anything good

2685
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,800
has to come from the heart country music

2686
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:20,159
especially because it's all about the

2687
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:20,800
voice

2688
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:23,360
the stories that you tell that attitude

2689
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:25,520
there's a lot of common ground with

2690
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,840
hard rock and metal you're singing songs

2691
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:29,440
about drinking and chasing women still

2692
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:29,840
right

2693
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:33,760
real life and you got to realize

2694
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:38,560
jimmy that we thought that 80s

2695
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,400
lifestyle was going to go on forever

2696
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:42,239
okay we've made it we're big time i've

2697
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:44,239
got a beach house and three sports cars

2698
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:44,800
and

2699
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,080
go on forever

2700
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:50,000
we're here we've arrived and nobody's

2701
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:51,360
ever going to pull the plug on this

2702
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,320
right well

2703
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,639
the 90s came around and nirvana and

2704
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,159
grunge

2705
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:58,880
really pulled the plug on us so to speak

2706
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,320
and all of a sudden all of us

2707
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,719
guys like me and warrant and black and

2708
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:04,639
blue and all those bands on that middle

2709
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,920
level

2710
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:07,760
we were no longer the coolest guys in

2711
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:09,360
town we were a laughingstock

2712
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:11,920
and some of those guys had to go get day

2713
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:13,920
jobs or

2714
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:16,000
some of them od'd i mean you know it was

2715
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:17,040
a tough time

2716
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:18,719
we got the rug pulled out from under us

2717
01:45:22,709 --> 01:45:20,719
in a big way and i'm sitting there with

2718
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:22,719
uh a beach house in santa monica that i

2719
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:23,920
can't afford

2720
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:26,639
uh now i've got a wife and kids i've got

2721
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:28,000
sports cars a trans am

2722
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:32,159
and a corvette of course and uh

2723
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,400
i didn't have any tour there's no tours

2724
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:37,199
there's no record deal it's all gone man

2725
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:40,000
what i have left is a story to tell and

2726
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:41,920
a guitar to tell it with

2727
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:45,119
and i started writing songs

2728
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:46,880
and it started to sound like country

2729
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:49,679
music it started to sound like

2730
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:51,520
songs that you know songs about being

2731
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:53,360
heartbroken or being broke or getting

2732
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,560
divorced or going to jail

2733
01:46:00,870 --> 01:45:59,040
songs that uh you could play by yourself

2734
01:46:03,189 --> 01:46:00,880
on an acoustic guitar

2735
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:03,199
and make somebody feel something have a

2736
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:04,159
reaction

2737
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,080
uh i i had to play and perform and

2738
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:07,840
express myself somehow so i would go

2739
01:46:11,189 --> 01:46:08,719
into

2740
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:11,199
the the little road house bars there in

2741
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,159
southern california

2742
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,880
even when we were on tour as keel and

2743
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,600
selling out

2744
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:17,760
you know arenas and touring with bon

2745
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:19,199
jovi at madison square garden three

2746
01:46:22,709 --> 01:46:20,560
nights in a row and things like that

2747
01:46:24,229 --> 01:46:22,719
i'd come off tour and i'd go into these

2748
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:24,239
little bars and i'd walk in with my

2749
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:26,480
acoustic guitar and say hey i'm ronnie

2750
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,119
lee

2751
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:28,960
uh from tennessee i just got into town

2752
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,320
can i play i'll play for tip

2753
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:32,880
shut up they would let me play for tips

2754
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:33,440
and

2755
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:35,440
i it was a way it was there it was

2756
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:36,560
therapy for me

2757
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:40,159
and it became something that i i chose

2758
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:41,520
to

2759
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:45,840
i grew up with country music i was born

2760
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:46,880
in georgia

2761
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,560
and as you know i made my start in

2762
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:50,800
nashville tennessee in 1978

2763
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:54,719
79 so my dad was a country musician my

2764
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:56,480
dad was a he played with hank senior and

2765
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:58,080
ernest tubb and some of these country

2766
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:00,000
icons back in the 40s

2767
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:02,800
uh so that music was always part of my

2768
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:03,520
upbringing

2769
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:05,679
i grew up in a time when there was no

2770
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,800
prejudice against

2771
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:08,480
different styles of music we heard the

2772
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,920
eagles and black sabbath on the same

2773
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:11,199
radio station

2774
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:14,880
so i very much was

2775
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:17,360
playing songs in the style of the eagles

2776
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:18,719
and then

2777
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:21,600
i ended up putting a band together and

2778
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:22,480
we started

2779
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:26,080
playing in the the lowest seediest dives

2780
01:47:32,070 --> 01:47:29,040
in phoenix arizona where i relocated to

2781
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:32,080
i made a record in 1995

2782
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:33,679
with these guys and i didn't even tell

2783
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:35,360
the guys in the band i was going by

2784
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:38,320
ronnie lee i didn't even tell anyone my

2785
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,119
last name

2786
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:41,840
the guys in my band had no idea of what

2787
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,119
i had accomplished or

2788
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:45,280
been through in my past i wanted to

2789
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:46,560
reinvent myself in

2790
01:47:51,669 --> 01:47:49,040
anonymity without the stigma of being

2791
01:47:54,870 --> 01:47:51,679
the ex-rock star

2792
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,880
so we did the album which i'm extremely

2793
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:56,400
proud of to this day

2794
01:48:00,550 --> 01:47:59,040
and then we had the release party and i

2795
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,560
pulled out all the stops i called the

2796
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,880
local media who all knew who ron keel

2797
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:04,800
was there in phoenix arizona they

2798
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:07,920
was i was a phoenix product uh the

2799
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:10,560
the people from the tv station and the

2800
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:11,920
radio they all came to this record

2801
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:13,679
release party and i created a 15-minute

2802
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:14,560
video

2803
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:16,639
to introduce myself to my audience who

2804
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:18,320
had been following me now for a year and

2805
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:19,360
a half in these

2806
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:21,199
this bar called the buffalo chip saloon

2807
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:22,639
in cave creek arizona

2808
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,960
these people didn't know i was ron keel

2809
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:26,880
the video comes up on all the screens

2810
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:29,520
with the pyro and the gene simmons and

2811
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:30,800
the right to rock and

2812
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:33,520
i told my story and that story that

2813
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:34,639
video clip ended up

2814
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,480
going to vh1 and mtv everybody's seen it

2815
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:40,239
it became the highest rated

2816
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:43,679
where are they now special in mtv vh1

2817
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,480
history

2818
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:46,400
and d snyder's narrating this thing

2819
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:48,400
going rod kills god

2820
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:50,880
country well man you know it was uh an

2821
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:52,400
amazing experience for me

2822
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:54,960
i was allowed to continue to express

2823
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:57,040
myself stay creative and get wild and

2824
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:58,320
jimmy the 90s

2825
01:49:01,350 --> 01:49:00,000
with country music and the garth brooks

2826
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:01,360
phenomenon and all that

2827
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,880
the 90s was just as wild as the 80s were

2828
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:06,800
so i got to relive it all over again

2829
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:08,800
you've got packed houses of all these

2830
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:11,119
you know hot girls dressed up in his cow

2831
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:12,800
cow boop cowboy boots

2832
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,040
and cowboy hats and they're slugging

2833
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:16,960
budweisers and lie dancing and

2834
01:49:21,589 --> 01:49:19,280
yeah it was it was absolutely just as

2835
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:21,599
wild as the 80s was only it was a

2836
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,560
country scene

2837
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,560
and i was able to make a living write

2838
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,239
create express myself

2839
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:28,960
and learned how to create songs that

2840
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:30,960
related to the common man

2841
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,960
not just songs that you could sing in an

2842
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:34,800
arena full of people with the smoke and

2843
01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:36,239
the lights and the fists in the air but

2844
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:37,599
songs that you could sit

2845
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:38,960
with an acoustic guitar and make

2846
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:40,719
somebody cry or make them yell or make

2847
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:41,679
them dance or

2848
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:44,080
make them feel something so that was

2849
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:45,840
very liberating for me

2850
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:49,280
but it still wasn't quite home

2851
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:52,080
i was always just like metal in the 80s

2852
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,679
you had to look a certain way you had to

2853
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,360
act a certain way you had to say things

2854
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:57,199
like kevin dubrow and ron keel would say

2855
01:50:02,870 --> 01:49:59,119
things that people didn't accept

2856
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,880
and i didn't want to be put in that same

2857
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:05,040
the round peg in the square hole i did

2858
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:07,360
not feel entirely country

2859
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:09,199
not not comfortable not being able to

2860
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:11,360
say what i felt and what i thought

2861
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:12,560
inside

2862
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:16,880
so i created 20 years ago what i call

2863
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:18,639
hard rock and southern country metal

2864
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,800
it's a hybrid literally what i do now

2865
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:21,760
with

2866
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:24,639
the ron keel band is it's got the

2867
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:26,800
electricity the energy the excitement

2868
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,199
and the sexuality and all that of metal

2869
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:31,520
but with country songs country

2870
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:32,880
sensibilities songs

2871
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:34,800
that where every line of the lyric means

2872
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:36,560
something where you've got great players

2873
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:38,239
orchestrating these parts

2874
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:39,679
painting the picture with all kinds of

2875
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:41,440
different colors that

2876
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,119
you can do with country music that you

2877
01:50:46,390 --> 01:50:45,040
can't do with rock you can never have a

2878
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,400
fiddle solo

2879
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:48,480
well unless you're kansas i guess but

2880
01:50:52,709 --> 01:50:49,840
right pedal steel guitar

2881
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:52,719
harmonica the fiddle the steel guitar

2882
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:54,080
these instruments

2883
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:56,080
could could color that picture in so

2884
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:57,280
many different ways so

2885
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:59,199
i caught a lot of flack for it but i was

2886
01:51:03,589 --> 01:51:00,960
the first guy to do it of course

2887
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:03,599
james hetfeld went on to do a whalen

2888
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:05,280
jennings tribute song on a whalen

2889
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,239
tribute album

2890
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,880
bon jovi's and brett michaels and

2891
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,400
everyone else's foray

2892
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:12,719
into country music is accepted i was

2893
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:14,480
vilified because i was the first guy to

2894
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:16,239
do it i broke that ground

2895
01:51:19,189 --> 01:51:17,599
uh and i'm very proud of that

2896
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:19,199
accomplishment and a lot of those

2897
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:20,719
country songs that i wrote around the

2898
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:22,000
campfire

2899
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,880
in the early 90s ended up being big

2900
01:51:28,629 --> 01:51:26,880
songs and television shows and movies we

2901
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:28,639
farmed out a lot of that material to the

2902
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:30,000
x-files

2903
01:51:33,910 --> 01:51:32,000
and i think one of the highest rated

2904
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,920
episodes of the x-files is featuring one

2905
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:35,440
of my country songs

2906
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,679
you open the fox mulder opens up the

2907
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:39,679
casket and there's a vampire in the

2908
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,320
casket

2909
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:42,320
with headphones on listening to my

2910
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:43,760
horses of harley which is one of my

2911
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,119
country signature songs

2912
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,199
that's right i had i had some success

2913
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,800
with with that genre and

2914
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:50,400
like i said i was never completely at

2915
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,000
home there but i learned a lot

2916
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:54,000
and i've applied all those experiences

2917
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:55,679
to what i'm doing now with the ron kill

2918
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,159
band

2919
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:58,080
yeah when you're a music lover and

2920
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:00,000
especially a rock and roll lover

2921
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:03,679
and you go and really listen

2922
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:06,639
to good country country rock whatever

2923
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:06,960
and

2924
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,480
the spirit of it

2925
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:12,639
you know what i listen to rascal flats

2926
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:14,159
rascal flatt

2927
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:21,430
next listen to a rascal flat song and

2928
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:22,400
just imagine

2929
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,070
travis toy the uh the utility man for

2930
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:31,920
rascal flats he does all their dobro

2931
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:32,719
steel guitar

2932
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:34,400
all that stuff he actually did all the

2933
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:36,560
dobro tracks on my metal cowboy album so

2934
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,119
i have a

2935
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,280
quote member of rascal flatts on my solo

2936
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:41,199
album see that's exactly what i'm saying

2937
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:41,760
right there

2938
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:44,000
let me ask you this before we get to the

2939
01:52:47,570 --> 01:52:45,199
break

2940
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:47,580
when you are

2941
01:52:51,589 --> 01:52:48,800
[Music]

2942
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:51,599
writing a song or thinking about rock

2943
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,920
and roll the rock and roll voice

2944
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:56,000
is there a singer that you hear singing

2945
01:53:02,790 --> 01:52:59,360
in your head besides ron keel

2946
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,800
great question and usually it's it's

2947
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:04,080
somebody a lot better

2948
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,629
that's a great question i i usually hear

2949
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,480
myself to to be honest with you i'm

2950
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,760
always

2951
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:17,679
trying to put myself into the song if

2952
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,960
i'm writing a song

2953
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:20,880
especially how am i going to sing this

2954
01:53:24,149 --> 01:53:22,320
how am i going to treat this how am i

2955
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:24,159
going to sell it and bring it to life

2956
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:26,159
so uh and but when you're writing for

2957
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:27,599
other artists

2958
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:30,239
sometimes back in my nashville days we

2959
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:32,400
did that and we're very close to having

2960
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:34,880
some songs cut by some major country

2961
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,239
stars you would gear your

2962
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:38,719
your song to rascal flats what would

2963
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:39,599
rascal flats

2964
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,840
sing and what what are they releasing or

2965
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:43,119
what are they looking for and you try

2966
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:44,960
and write a song that would fit that

2967
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:47,840
actually had travis tritt put a hold on

2968
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,599
that song by horses a harley that i just

2969
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,800
mentioned that was in the x-files

2970
01:53:54,149 --> 01:53:52,320
episode travis tritt

2971
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:54,159
was set to record that it didn't make

2972
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,520
the cut but he was close

2973
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:57,599
to cutting that one had a song on hold

2974
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,880
for george strait

2975
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:00,719
uh obviously the king of country music

2976
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,800
and he was gonna record one of our songs

2977
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,639
and ended up doing a live album instead

2978
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:06,320
with all of his hits on it so the timing

2979
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:07,679
wasn't right but i was really close a

2980
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:08,000
couple

2981
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:09,840
times and you're trying to write songs

2982
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:12,239
with those guys in mind when i write

2983
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:15,520
songs now i write with ron keel in mind

2984
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:16,880
i want to i want something that i can

2985
01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:18,719
sing or that i can sell

2986
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:21,920
and that that mean a lot to me now that

2987
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:24,080
doesn't mean that some of these songs

2988
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:27,040
couldn't be covered by another artist

2989
01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:28,320
especially songs like just like

2990
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:29,920
tennessee which is uh

2991
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:32,560
a country rock ballad off the metal

2992
01:54:35,510 --> 01:54:33,760
cowboy album

2993
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,520
and that video is available for

2994
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,159
exclusive viewing at patreon.com

2995
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:39,760
rod key i got to get a plug for that and

2996
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,280
there's sure make exclusive

2997
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,199
music videos for my patreon page that

2998
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:45,199
aren't shown on youtube or anywhere else

2999
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:47,599
and that video was shot in on location

3000
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:49,199
in new mexico and a great song

3001
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:52,239
when we were cutting that song

3002
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:53,599
it's the best song i've ever written

3003
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:55,280
jimmy by the way uh

3004
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,840
i'll send you a copy the producer looks

3005
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:59,119
at me and says

3006
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:01,520
this might not be a hit song for you but

3007
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:04,000
it's going to be a hit song for somebody

3008
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:05,920
i'm still waiting on that to happen but

3009
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:08,000
uh no i write with myself in mind cause

3010
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:09,360
uh i i feel like

3011
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,560
there's probably a really good chance

3012
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:11,840
i'm the guy that's gonna end up singing

3013
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:12,480
it anyway

3014
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:16,320
yeah sure sure and uh i love uh

3015
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:18,159
approaching guitar players and i've had

3016
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:19,920
so many on this show

3017
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:22,719
um because i'm a guitar player and

3018
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:23,440
asking

3019
01:55:26,950 --> 01:55:26,480
them who who who's the cat that you look

3020
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:26,960
up to

3021
01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:30,239
who's the guy or gal that

3022
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:33,119
impresses you and i'm going to ask you

3023
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:34,480
as a singer

3024
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,520
is what singer out there are the

3025
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:39,840
first one that pops in your head that

3026
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:42,400
just impresses the heck out of you

3027
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:45,119
don henley oh yeah there you go don

3028
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:46,560
henley i mean

3029
01:55:53,350 --> 01:55:50,080
there's uh you know there's there's god

3030
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:53,360
then there's don henley uh

3031
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:55,280
love the guy and love love his voice and

3032
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:57,280
always have now of course you have to

3033
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,280
apply that to certain genres

3034
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:01,280
okay the heavy the heavy met the heavy

3035
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:02,800
metal singer you know it's got to be

3036
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:03,920
sammy i mean

3037
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,639
obviously that montrose album in 1973

3038
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,400
yeah was a game changer this was the

3039
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:10,320
game changer for edward van halen sure

3040
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:11,760
was like i said all roads lead back to

3041
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van halen

3042
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,639
that montrose album with sammy on it

3043
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:16,400
which was released in 73

3044
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:19,199
way ahead of its time and that was a

3045
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:20,400
metal record

3046
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:22,960
before metal was really in in the

3047
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:24,400
mainstream or accepted or even

3048
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:25,520
recognized

3049
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:29,119
and uh sammy's voice on that album and

3050
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:29,760
all his

3051
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:33,599
uh work up to this day has been

3052
01:56:39,750 --> 01:56:36,639
probably my favorite voice vocally

3053
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:39,760
vote just from a singing standpoint

3054
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:41,360
i love what he always did i love what he

3055
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:43,199
still does the

3056
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:46,719
for sheer vocal majesty i think you have

3057
01:56:49,189 --> 01:56:48,400
to go to ronnie james dio and rob

3058
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:49,199
halford both

3059
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:52,719
sure those guys are are

3060
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:55,280
mount rushmore of rock and middle

3061
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:57,199
singers as far as i'm concerned

3062
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:00,800
and uh for country music it's got to be

3063
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,800
if you don't go old school i think you

3064
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:04,400
have to go with garth garth changed

3065
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:06,000
everything that was a game changer for a

3066
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:06,560
lot of us

3067
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:09,199
and that was the really the the impetus

3068
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:10,320
for me deciding

3069
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:12,560
making that decision to okay i'm gonna

3070
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:14,480
do this was seeing garth brooks at the

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01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:15,199
forum

3072
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:18,400
on new year's eve in 1992

3073
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:21,520
and i went uh to see garth and

3074
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:23,360
he was out there screaming running

3075
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:25,679
around smashing guitars putting on a big

3076
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,239
show

3077
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:28,320
and singing songs that everybody in

3078
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,639
every seat in that arena felt

3079
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:32,960
i realized okay i can do this so garth

3080
01:57:35,750 --> 01:57:33,920
brooks certainly

3081
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:35,760
had a huge influence on me i got to

3082
01:57:39,910 --> 01:57:38,080
interview garth on my radio show how

3083
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:39,920
cool is that i've got that on that video

3084
01:57:42,550 --> 01:57:40,560
clip

3085
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:42,560
and me the metal cowboy walking up to

3086
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,800
garth brooks to interview him he played

3087
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:46,719
he played nine shows here in sioux falls

3088
01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:48,239
a few years ago and i

3089
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,960
i asked for a press pass and i got it it

3090
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:52,639
it's like wow are you serious i'm going

3091
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:53,920
to get to the press conference

3092
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:55,360
and i'm going to get to shovel mike and

3093
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:57,040
garth brooks's face

3094
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:58,719
and he and i'm dressed up like the metal

3095
01:58:01,990 --> 01:58:00,239
cowboy i got the hat and the dew rag and

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01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:02,000
the leather on it i'm all cowboyed out

3097
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:02,639
right

3098
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:04,320
i shoved the mic into garth's face and i

3099
01:58:08,950 --> 01:58:06,719
started talking a really intelligent

3100
01:58:11,270 --> 01:58:08,960
well thought out interview that i not

3101
01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:11,280
scripted but i knew what i wanted to say

3102
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:13,119
and he looked at me and raised his eyes

3103
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:14,320
he started talking about

3104
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,320
i asked him about what was the influence

3105
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:18,320
of classic rock and arena rock

3106
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:20,400
on your music and how you translated

3107
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:21,360
that to country

3108
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:22,800
and he started going into bands like

3109
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:24,320
journey and the things that he listens

3110
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:24,960
to kiss

3111
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:27,360
even uh he's a huge kiss fan he's a rock

3112
01:58:29,510 --> 01:58:28,960
and roller people don't know that you

3113
01:58:33,109 --> 01:58:29,520
know

3114
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:33,119
garth is rock man to the core

3115
01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:35,040
i would have asked him what was it like

3116
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:37,440
to have five albums number one on

3117
01:58:41,030 --> 01:58:39,599
billboard for three years

3118
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:41,040
well it was it was like a dream come

3119
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,960
true i'm sure i just wanted to hit him

3120
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:44,320
musically because

3121
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:45,599
you know that's where his heart really

3122
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:47,760
is he's a a brilliant businessman and

3123
01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:48,560
performer but

3124
01:58:52,390 --> 01:58:50,159
it's it all revolves around the music

3125
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:52,400
with a guy like me uh everything that i

3126
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,119
do

3127
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has to all stem from the music and the

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songs whether it's my radio show or my

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book or my

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patreon page and where i engage the fans

3131
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and all the other stuff that i do the

3132
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interviews and appearances like this one

3133
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it's all because of the music you can't

3134
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lose sight of that

3135
01:59:11,030 --> 01:59:09,360
and uh the most successful guys in our

3136
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business never have guys like garth

3137
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:11,520
brooks

3138
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sammy hagar ronnie james dio never did a

3139
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:16,400
huge influence on me and

3140
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a gr a good friend i uh i got to cover

3141
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:21,679
one of his songs on a recent black

3142
01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:22,800
sabbath tribute album

3143
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with rudy sarzo yeah i saw that yeah

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on drums i got to sing dai young there's

3145
01:59:30,709 --> 01:59:29,760
a great music video for that on youtube

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as well so

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uh ronnie was a huge influence on me and

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a good friend he believed in us and took

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us on tour throughout europe in 86 and

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obviously when you go to the biggest and

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the best singers you gotta you got to

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put freddie mercury into that mix as

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01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:42,560
well

3154
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a guy who whose diversity really uh

3155
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influenced me and and you know gave me

3156
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this the courage and the strength to do

3157
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all styles of music because freddie was

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fearless

3159
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he didn't want to be any one particular

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he'd want to do bohemian rhapsody

3161
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:55,440
forever

3162
01:59:58,870 --> 01:59:57,520
he did another one bites the dust and

3163
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everything in between

3164
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uh i've got 15 seconds

3165
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so i want the uh two word answer three

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words

3167
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what went through your head the first

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let's take our break right here this is

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02:05:48,750 --> 02:05:40,560
on the game changer radio network

3297
02:05:57,030 --> 02:05:48,760
and kgra the global radio alliance

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02:06:00,390 --> 02:05:58,629
all right welcome back paid to black i'm

3299
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:00,400
here with jimmy church tonight ron keel

3300
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:02,800
is with us

3301
02:06:09,270 --> 02:06:06,159
the cameras are off and you guys can't

3302
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:09,280
see what ron and i are doing the break

3303
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:09,840
it's uh

3304
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:13,440
it's pretty funny now okay it's a

3305
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:15,760
very fun conversation tonight ron you

3306
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:17,360
having a good time

3307
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:19,040
i'm having a great time jimmy hope the

3308
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:20,880
listeners are as well well

3309
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:23,520
uh this is the point where i say i'm

3310
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:25,360
bringing on a special surprise

3311
02:06:32,790 --> 02:06:29,040
guest and ron kill say hi to

3312
02:06:36,069 --> 02:06:32,800
kurt james kurt how are you man

3313
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:36,079
hey i'm doing great how are you guys

3314
02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:37,920
hello kurt good to hear your voice my

3315
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:39,440
friend

3316
02:06:43,750 --> 02:06:42,480
it's been a long time too long i

3317
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:43,760
remember when you were coming through

3318
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:44,800
sioux falls

3319
02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:46,880
was it last year and i was hoping to see

3320
02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:48,400
you and they changed venues

3321
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:50,639
and i didn't make it i'm sorry i didn't

3322
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:52,239
but uh it's great to hear from you i'm

3323
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:54,560
glad you could join us tonight

3324
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,239
hey thank you man great hearing your

3325
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:58,880
voice as well now um

3326
02:07:01,910 --> 02:07:01,599
and and getting the two of you together

3327
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:01,920
this

3328
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:05,119
is uh it's pretty cool for me but uh

3329
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:08,320
let me let me ask kurt a question

3330
02:07:16,950 --> 02:07:11,679
in front of ron kurt

3331
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:20,550
well yes i believe everyone is

3332
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,840
cool these days to survive this long

3333
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:25,440
you have to be cool man or else you

3334
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:26,960
wouldn't make it yeah and

3335
02:07:30,310 --> 02:07:28,960
and and thank you for that and that

3336
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:30,320
that's absolutely

3337
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:34,400
uh the point is that ron

3338
02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:37,599
ron you you two

3339
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:41,679
are more um similar to me

3340
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:44,800
than the both of you know ron reached

3341
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:47,040
out to me he's a fan of the show

3342
02:07:52,830 --> 02:07:50,159
ron check this out a couple of years ago

3343
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:52,840
i get this anonymous email out of the

3344
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:54,800
blue and uh

3345
02:07:59,669 --> 02:07:57,520
it's uh hey jimmy uh this is uh kurt

3346
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:59,679
james i'm the paranormal guitar player

3347
02:08:02,390 --> 02:08:00,960
and i just want to let you know i'm a

3348
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:02,400
fan of the show

3349
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:05,040
and that was it and he just signed off

3350
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:08,560
signed kurt james

3351
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:10,800
and uh and and kurt and i have been

3352
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:11,840
friends um

3353
02:08:19,030 --> 02:08:15,520
ever since um but what a talent

3354
02:08:21,750 --> 02:08:19,040
uh uh with kurt uh what did you think

3355
02:08:23,990 --> 02:08:21,760
uh uh about the the first time you heard

3356
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:24,000
kurt play do you remember that

3357
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:25,920
yeah he had a very special talent he was

3358
02:08:29,589 --> 02:08:27,119
one of the

3359
02:08:31,709 --> 02:08:29,599
few people on the scene in the mid 80s

3360
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:31,719
that could fill the shoes of guys like

3361
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:34,719
ingredstein and then mitch perry curt

3362
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:35,760
took their place

3363
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:38,239
and my band steeler and he was the final

3364
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:40,000
guitar player he was there at the final

3365
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:41,360
steelers show

3366
02:08:47,910 --> 02:08:46,639
that we ever did uh 1984 march 2nd 1984

3367
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:47,920
i remember the date

3368
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:50,400
and it was great to uh to have him be a

3369
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:51,520
part of

3370
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:53,040
of what we did back then and i'm really

3371
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,560
proud of his success

3372
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:56,639
in the years since going on to uh world

3373
02:09:00,229 --> 02:08:58,800
tours and great sessions and albums and

3374
02:09:02,830 --> 02:09:00,239
and working with some of the best in the

3375
02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:02,840
business one of the things

3376
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:07,199
uh that kurt approached me about

3377
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:10,480
was uh ufos and

3378
02:09:17,750 --> 02:09:13,679
and and the paranormal and contact and

3379
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:17,760
his interest in in in this subject

3380
02:09:25,189 --> 02:09:21,760
which led him to fade to black and

3381
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:25,199
i've always found that interesting and

3382
02:09:30,790 --> 02:09:28,639
uh kurt before you answer that ron have

3383
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:30,800
you ever seen a ufo

3384
02:09:33,990 --> 02:09:33,440
i have seen things i can't explain jimmy

3385
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:34,000
uh

3386
02:09:38,069 --> 02:09:35,920
spending a lot of nights out in the

3387
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:38,079
arizona desert i grew up

3388
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:40,880
uh a lot of time outdoors in the in the

3389
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:42,719
arizona desert when i was a kid

3390
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:45,760
that's where uh you know we saw a lot of

3391
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:47,360
things that we couldn't explain

3392
02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:50,000
and my father was a believer and we were

3393
02:09:54,310 --> 02:09:51,040
always looking

3394
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:54,320
and what the truth is

3395
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:57,040
yeah it's if you say that it's

3396
02:10:00,629 --> 02:09:58,480
unidentified yes

3397
02:10:02,310 --> 02:10:00,639
uh they we could not identify them and i

3398
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:02,320
don't know who could

3399
02:10:05,990 --> 02:10:04,960
and but where do they come from and who

3400
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:06,000
are they

3401
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:09,679
you know i i subscribe to

3402
02:10:13,310 --> 02:10:11,840
a couple of different belief systems you

3403
02:10:14,709 --> 02:10:13,320
know we've been fed so much

3404
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:14,719
disinformation

3405
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:17,760
the last 70 years but it's hard to to

3406
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:18,159
sift

3407
02:10:22,669 --> 02:10:20,880
through that to find the truth i am a

3408
02:10:24,870 --> 02:10:22,679
fan of this

3409
02:10:26,790 --> 02:10:24,880
multi-dimensional theory and the fact

3410
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:26,800
that ufos may be

3411
02:10:31,350 --> 02:10:29,280
time travelers from the future i know

3412
02:10:32,390 --> 02:10:31,360
michael masters has been on uh some of

3413
02:10:33,750 --> 02:10:32,400
these shows

3414
02:10:35,910 --> 02:10:33,760
and doing some very compelling

3415
02:10:37,830 --> 02:10:35,920
interviews with his book what's it uh

3416
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:37,840
identified flying objects i think it's

3417
02:10:41,109 --> 02:10:38,880
called

3418
02:10:42,229 --> 02:10:41,119
i think that's a brilliant theory and it

3419
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:42,239
makes a lot of sense

3420
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:45,119
crosses a lot of the boxes off that who

3421
02:10:48,149 --> 02:10:46,480
are they and where are they from and

3422
02:10:50,709 --> 02:10:48,159
what are they doing here

3423
02:10:52,950 --> 02:10:50,719
uh so i'm very compelled by that theory

3424
02:10:54,709 --> 02:10:52,960
i don't claim to have any answers but

3425
02:10:56,470 --> 02:10:54,719
i want to believe i think we all want to

3426
02:10:59,270 --> 02:10:56,480
believe that

3427
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:59,280
you know that we're not alone and

3428
02:11:03,750 --> 02:11:00,239
there's been some

3429
02:11:07,669 --> 02:11:03,760
some very compelling evidence however

3430
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:07,679
i don't trust the mainstream media

3431
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:10,159
or even you know it's hard to trust any

3432
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:12,000
media these days i was in the media

3433
02:11:16,629 --> 02:11:13,199
jimmy as you mentioned i

3434
02:11:19,910 --> 02:11:16,639
was a dj for a while uh working

3435
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:19,920
in mainstream radio and i would

3436
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,480
be forced to say whatever the owner of

3437
02:11:26,709 --> 02:11:24,639
the station wanted me to say

3438
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:26,719
whether it was a weather report or other

3439
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:27,760
news

3440
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:29,520
i was told here's what you're going to

3441
02:11:33,669 --> 02:11:31,920
tell your audience or else and it was

3442
02:11:36,229 --> 02:11:33,679
not always the truth

3443
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:36,239
whether it was the weather or about the

3444
02:11:40,950 --> 02:11:38,000
news i would have to put a spin on

3445
02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:40,960
it that favored the management and

3446
02:11:43,990 --> 02:11:42,719
ownership of that radio station now

3447
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:44,000
all of these talking heads that we're

3448
02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:46,159
seeing and hearing they're doing

3449
02:11:49,030 --> 02:11:47,840
whatever their boss is telling them to

3450
02:11:52,470 --> 02:11:49,040
say and do and our

3451
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:52,480
our shows like uh the louis elizondo

3452
02:11:56,069 --> 02:11:54,000
television show which i love and i'm

3453
02:11:58,310 --> 02:11:56,079
enjoying it and it's very compelling

3454
02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:58,320
but is it disinformation or is he real

3455
02:12:03,030 --> 02:12:00,000
is he on the level

3456
02:12:06,390 --> 02:12:03,040
i i i can't commit to that belief and

3457
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:06,400
and kurt uh you you

3458
02:12:10,229 --> 02:12:10,000
came to fade to black because of of ufos

3459
02:12:14,390 --> 02:12:10,239
and

3460
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:14,400
into this

3461
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:16,960
uh and i'll say this ron kurt knows as

3462
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:18,400
much about this subject

3463
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:21,920
as as anybody that i know he is fully

3464
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:23,760
engaged in the game

3465
02:12:27,750 --> 02:12:26,480
um and kurt you live out in in lake

3466
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:27,760
elsinore

3467
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:30,320
uh do you see stuff uh every single

3468
02:12:34,629 --> 02:12:31,360
night out there that's

3469
02:12:37,109 --> 02:12:34,639
that's a ufo hot spot yes

3470
02:12:38,790 --> 02:12:37,119
it's a hot spot i would have to say i've

3471
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:38,800
seen my fair share

3472
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:42,480
of anomalies but actually

3473
02:12:48,550 --> 02:12:45,840
where i did see the triangle the giant

3474
02:12:51,750 --> 02:12:48,560
silent hovering triangle was actually in

3475
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:51,760
costa mesa california

3476
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:55,440
and uh when was that

3477
02:12:59,669 --> 02:12:58,159
that was about 20 years ago i guess

3478
02:13:02,229 --> 02:12:59,679
those guys have been out there for a

3479
02:13:05,589 --> 02:13:02,239
while now huh yeah

3480
02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:05,599
they have and and now ron did you know

3481
02:13:09,350 --> 02:13:06,320
this about

3482
02:13:11,589 --> 02:13:09,360
kurt did you guys ever

3483
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:11,599
yeah did you guys 1883 yeah you guys

3484
02:13:18,310 --> 02:13:13,040
didn't talk ufos

3485
02:13:20,629 --> 02:13:18,320
i don't recall doing uh any of those

3486
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:20,639
discussions did you uh have these

3487
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:22,239
views and thoughts back then kurt i mean

3488
02:13:25,270 --> 02:13:24,480
i know i did i know my dad and i went to

3489
02:13:27,189 --> 02:13:25,280
see

3490
02:13:28,950 --> 02:13:27,199
movies like chariots of the gods at the

3491
02:13:30,470 --> 02:13:28,960
drive-in theater when i was just a kid

3492
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:30,480
so this the

3493
02:13:35,750 --> 02:13:33,920
interest in the subject matter was was

3494
02:13:38,069 --> 02:13:35,760
a part of me very early on but i think

3495
02:13:40,390 --> 02:13:38,079
kurt and i when we were in our early 20s

3496
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:40,400
in hollywood we were pretty much focused

3497
02:13:44,310 --> 02:13:41,280
on the music

3498
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:44,320
and making it kurt were you

3499
02:13:47,830 --> 02:13:46,400
were you following the ufo subject back

3500
02:13:51,189 --> 02:13:47,840
then

3501
02:13:52,069 --> 02:13:51,199
well just like once said the focus was

3502
02:13:54,229 --> 02:13:52,079
on the music

3503
02:13:56,390 --> 02:13:54,239
but i'm sure if we went to that topic we

3504
02:13:59,589 --> 02:13:56,400
would have common ground for sure

3505
02:14:02,550 --> 02:13:59,599
yeah while while you are here uh

3506
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:02,560
ron just mentioned i think it's a very

3507
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:04,400
important subject with all of us right

3508
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:05,360
now

3509
02:14:09,669 --> 02:14:08,079
uh in that ufos are being covered in the

3510
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:09,679
mainstream media and i know that you're

3511
02:14:13,109 --> 02:14:11,280
seeing the reports

3512
02:14:14,870 --> 02:14:13,119
what do you think is actually going on

3513
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:14,880
do you think we are moving towards

3514
02:14:18,870 --> 02:14:16,480
disclosure and

3515
02:14:20,870 --> 02:14:18,880
the media is helping us or is it a

3516
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:20,880
situation where we shouldn't really be

3517
02:14:24,069 --> 02:14:22,079
trusting

3518
02:14:25,350 --> 02:14:24,079
uh what is going on there because

3519
02:14:27,350 --> 02:14:25,360
there's a lot of

3520
02:14:29,910 --> 02:14:27,360
disinformation on every level in the

3521
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:31,830
okay i think this is directed at me is

3522
02:14:37,830 --> 02:14:34,239
this correct yes it is kurt

3523
02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:41,030
you know just as much as i know

3524
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:43,440
probably a lot more because you know

3525
02:14:46,790 --> 02:14:44,880
you're spending your time

3526
02:14:50,149 --> 02:14:46,800
and i i definitely i mean there's

3527
02:14:52,830 --> 02:14:50,159
something going on but then

3528
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:52,840
who's pulling the strings that's what i

3529
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:54,000
want

3530
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:56,719
do you think that there is something

3531
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:57,840
eminent kurt this

3532
02:15:02,149 --> 02:15:00,400
question is uh at you do you think that

3533
02:15:04,950 --> 02:15:02,159
there's something eminent

3534
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:04,960
when it comes to ufos that the

3535
02:15:11,189 --> 02:15:07,679
government may know something about

3536
02:15:15,189 --> 02:15:11,199
and they are trying to get us acclimated

3537
02:15:16,629 --> 02:15:15,199
to uh disclosure and

3538
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:16,639
they know that something is about to

3539
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:18,560
happen and the only way to do it is to

3540
02:15:21,750 --> 02:15:19,520
manipulate us

3541
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:21,760
and and get us ready and that is what is

3542
02:15:25,350 --> 02:15:23,679
going on

3543
02:15:27,189 --> 02:15:25,360
you just kind of took the words right

3544
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:27,199
out of my mouth i mean

3545
02:15:32,950 --> 02:15:30,400
definitely we're getting conditions

3546
02:15:34,310 --> 02:15:32,960
with certain amount of information but

3547
02:15:38,950 --> 02:15:34,320
at the same time

3548
02:15:43,990 --> 02:15:40,709
with whatever they're you know giving on

3549
02:15:46,950 --> 02:15:44,000
the other end of the spectrum but

3550
02:15:49,750 --> 02:15:46,960
you know i mean come on look at if you

3551
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:49,760
look at history there's just so much

3552
02:15:54,550 --> 02:15:51,280
high-end

3553
02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:54,560
technology evidence like

3554
02:16:00,870 --> 02:15:58,560
3 000 years ago or more you know

3555
02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:00,880
i mean there's definitely something has

3556
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:02,800
been going on for a long time

3557
02:16:05,990 --> 02:16:04,560
ron i'm going to tell you kurt james

3558
02:16:07,510 --> 02:16:06,000
story

3559
02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:07,520
okay okay i'm going to give you a kurt

3560
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,320
james story a couple of years ago

3561
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:12,400
uh kurt and i go to the namm show

3562
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:13,520
together

3563
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:17,040
right we we meet up and we do

3564
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:20,560
we walk in and uh there was a network

3565
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:23,920
there that um interviewed me and they

3566
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:27,440
and they they followed kurt and i around

3567
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:30,800
a little bit we went to uh this booth

3568
02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:33,519
uh that was a guitar company and and so

3569
02:16:37,669 --> 02:16:34,639
we go in

3570
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:37,679
and this is what happens

3571
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:40,960
i'm just gonna be straight kurt uh picks

3572
02:16:46,070 --> 02:16:41,840
up this

3573
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:46,080
custom guitar it's a strat custom strap

3574
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:48,880
and he plugs into this amp and starts

3575
02:16:52,790 --> 02:16:50,080
ripping

3576
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:52,800
right kurt james style all right and i'm

3577
02:16:56,870 --> 02:16:53,840
standing next to him

3578
02:16:58,870 --> 02:16:56,880
we got cameras running and uh

3579
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:58,880
the host of this show is there and

3580
02:17:02,790 --> 02:17:00,160
they're filming uh

3581
02:17:03,509 --> 02:17:02,800
kurt kurt playing i'm standing next to

3582
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:03,519
kurt

3583
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:07,439
and i'm watching him play and and

3584
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:10,960
all i could think about is i

3585
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:15,120
don't like kurt anymore

3586
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:16,880
that's all i can think about i just

3587
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:18,160
don't like this guy

3588
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:20,240
nobody should be able to play guitar

3589
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:21,519
this good

3590
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:24,639
it should be illegal it's not fair

3591
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:27,599
to the rest of us and and he's not

3592
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:28,319
sharing

3593
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,439
i i need some of those secrets and i'm

3594
02:17:36,389 --> 02:17:33,280
standing two feet from him

3595
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:36,399
i'm watching him light up this fretboard

3596
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:39,120
and ron i got to tell you uh i i don't

3597
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:40,719
think i spoke to kurt for about two

3598
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:41,120
weeks

3599
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:43,760
after that well he is an amazing talent

3600
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:45,599
you got that right and a super nice guy

3601
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:46,559
as well and

3602
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:48,399
uh he had that back in the day jimmy he

3603
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:50,000
could turn heads and drop jaws

3604
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:51,519
when we went on stage at the country

3605
02:17:53,990 --> 02:17:53,200
club and some of those other big steeler

3606
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,000
gigs

3607
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:57,200
in the final lineup of steeler i think

3608
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:59,040
was as good or better than any there's

3609
02:18:02,709 --> 02:18:01,200
three eras of steeler the original

3610
02:18:04,790 --> 02:18:02,719
lineup that went to la

3611
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,800
the classic lineup with inva and then

3612
02:18:07,910 --> 02:18:06,000
the final lineup

3613
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:07,920
with kurt james and greg chason who went

3614
02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:09,280
on to play in badlands

3615
02:18:13,830 --> 02:18:12,080
and i i'll put that final lineup against

3616
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:13,840
anything back in the day have you heard

3617
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:15,599
any of the steeler recordings that kurt

3618
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:16,479
james played on

3619
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:19,679
yes i've heard some of them and uh oh

3620
02:18:25,509 --> 02:18:22,800
i wanted to ask you uh was it was mark

3621
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:25,519
edwards on drums in that final lineup

3622
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:28,800
he was not uh that was bobby marks who

3623
02:18:32,870 --> 02:18:29,679
became the first

3624
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:32,880
drummer in keel yeah yeah yeah wow that

3625
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:36,399
that was a great lineup uh uh of steeler

3626
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:38,880
yep yep but i was an amazing lineup but

3627
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:40,399
we had already we'd gone through so many

3628
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:42,240
personnel changes it didn't matter how

3629
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:42,880
good

3630
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:45,439
kurt and i and greg and bobby were we

3631
02:18:49,110 --> 02:18:47,120
were never gonna get taken seriously by

3632
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:49,120
the industry because of the

3633
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:50,800
the lineup changes that the band had

3634
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,559
endured so it was best to just wipe the

3635
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:54,240
slate clean and start fresh call it keel

3636
02:18:56,469 --> 02:18:54,719
and

3637
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:56,479
then of course within the next nine

3638
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:58,240
months i was signed to a major label

3639
02:19:02,309 --> 02:19:00,160
deal with gene simmons producing and

3640
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:02,319
uh had two albums out and was on tour

3641
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:03,439
and uh

3642
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:05,599
the the dream was was in full swing by

3643
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:06,559
then but that last

3644
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:08,399
incarnation of steeler was very strong

3645
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,880
and i appreciate those experiences and

3646
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:12,479
those good times and that great music

3647
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:12,960
and

3648
02:19:16,469 --> 02:19:14,719
to get to reconnect with kurt on your

3649
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:16,479
show tonight yeah dad

3650
02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:18,960
pleasure's all mine hey kurt before uh

3651
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:20,880
uh we say good night what are you up to

3652
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:23,519
now what's going on

3653
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:26,559
well i'm really getting my studio shots

3654
02:19:30,629 --> 02:19:27,280
together

3655
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,639
i got the uh hd pro tools

3656
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:33,040
thing and i'm working on a lot of music

3657
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:34,080
there

3658
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:37,760
so you have uh yeah you have the ability

3659
02:19:43,589 --> 02:19:41,280
uh to now kurt's uh got this amazing amp

3660
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:43,599
collection and guitar collection ron

3661
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:45,200
and and he's out there and he's built a

3662
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:47,359
studio uh which means kurt

3663
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:50,319
you can just go pick an app grab a

3664
02:19:54,070 --> 02:19:51,040
guitar

3665
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:54,080
and get your thoughts now and and

3666
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:56,560
and and just write whenever you feel

3667
02:20:01,990 --> 02:19:58,479
creative

3668
02:20:05,830 --> 02:20:02,000
exactly and the amazing thing is is

3669
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:05,840
at this location um i've got 24

3670
02:20:17,510 --> 02:20:15,830
yeah you have no neighbors oh man

3671
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:17,520
kurt thank you so much my friend for

3672
02:20:21,590 --> 02:20:18,960
stopping by tonight

3673
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:21,600
and and saying hello to ron it it really

3674
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:23,840
means a lot to me

3675
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:26,720
thanks jimmy thanks lost thank you kurt

3676
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:27,040
hey

3677
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:28,800
get in touch with me shoot me a message

3678
02:20:33,670 --> 02:20:30,640
send me some music if you need a voice

3679
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:33,680
i'm there for you awesome

3680
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:37,120
you're the best thank you kurt kurt

3681
02:20:43,349 --> 02:20:40,880
james and you know this is uh uh

3682
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:43,359
one of the things that and you've been

3683
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:44,000
through this a lot

3684
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:47,120
ron one of the things i said to kurt

3685
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:49,439
what's it like there's got to be

3686
02:20:54,389 --> 02:20:50,640
pressure

3687
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:54,399
if you're the cat that is coming in

3688
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:57,680
uh after a steve i or after

3689
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,319
you know playing with these uh singers

3690
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:02,560
that have played with richie blackmore

3691
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:04,800
right they played with ingva that's a

3692
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:07,040
lot of pressure on a guy

3693
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:08,240
there's a certain amount of pressure

3694
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:10,080
that comes with our business

3695
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:13,280
naturally and i felt that when i

3696
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:14,960
had to replace ian gillan in black

3697
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:17,280
sabbath for a short time in 1984

3698
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:20,479
obviously following ronnie james dio

3699
02:21:25,750 --> 02:21:23,520
and ian gillen in that band i never got

3700
02:21:28,870 --> 02:21:25,760
to record or tour with them but that

3701
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:28,880
pressure was certainly a tangible

3702
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:32,160
uh factor in my life at that time

3703
02:21:37,590 --> 02:21:35,520
but then again there's a part of us

3704
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,600
that craves that pressure and many of us

3705
02:21:42,309 --> 02:21:39,439
work better under pressure

3706
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:42,319
i i think that uh you have to to be

3707
02:21:46,950 --> 02:21:43,359
somewhat

3708
02:21:48,469 --> 02:21:46,960
fearless and you have to really believe

3709
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:48,479
in yourself and and you want to

3710
02:21:53,030 --> 02:21:50,960
rise to the challenge i mean i really do

3711
02:21:55,270 --> 02:21:53,040
equate it to climbing mountains

3712
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:55,280
you how do you how do you possibly get

3713
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:57,120
to the top of everest man i mean it's

3714
02:22:03,590 --> 02:21:57,680
it's

3715
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:03,600
but you really want to get there because

3716
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:04,960
you believe in yourself and you want to

3717
02:22:08,710 --> 02:22:06,319
prove to yourself

3718
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:08,720
that you can and that pressure is

3719
02:22:11,670 --> 02:22:10,240
sometimes what what makes us great and

3720
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:11,680
what keeps us going

3721
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:13,680
now i want to get back to what you had

3722
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:15,280
said earlier

3723
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:19,680
when when you drop the disclosure word

3724
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:23,680
like that it seems uh by by that kind of

3725
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:24,800
statement

3726
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:27,600
that you are on top of it you are

3727
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:28,399
watching

3728
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:32,319
uh the reactions uh from the media as

3729
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:33,200
well as

3730
02:22:38,870 --> 02:22:36,640
the status quo and and and the public

3731
02:22:40,150 --> 02:22:38,880
uh when it comes to the ufo question but

3732
02:22:42,389 --> 02:22:40,160
for you ron

3733
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:42,399
what is the definition of disclosure

3734
02:22:47,590 --> 02:22:44,640
when you just throw the word out there

3735
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:47,600
what does it mean to you definitive

3736
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:49,280
proof and it doesn't have to come from

3737
02:22:53,349 --> 02:22:50,399
the government

3738
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:53,359
or anybody else when we have definitive

3739
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:54,319
proof

3740
02:23:00,150 --> 02:22:57,359
and everybody agrees and

3741
02:23:01,670 --> 02:23:00,160
i think we've seen that this year that

3742
02:23:04,870 --> 02:23:01,680
we can't agree on anything

3743
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:04,880
we can't there are two sides to to every

3744
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:06,560
story in 2020

3745
02:23:11,429 --> 02:23:08,240
whether it's the civil unrest or the

3746
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:11,439
coven 19 pandemic or anything else

3747
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:12,960
how are you ever going to get everybody

3748
02:23:17,110 --> 02:23:14,960
to believe in one thing the same as

3749
02:23:19,030 --> 02:23:17,120
christianity or any other religion

3750
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:19,040
you've got people that believe a lot of

3751
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:20,479
different stuff

3752
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:24,240
how are how how is anybody ever going to

3753
02:23:28,790 --> 02:23:27,120
have irrefutable proof so that everyone

3754
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:28,800
believes okay it's obvious this

3755
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:33,200
this is real and the disclosure

3756
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:35,040
discussion that you had with john

3757
02:23:39,590 --> 02:23:36,479
greenwald last week

3758
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:39,600
uh about the black vault and and how

3759
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:42,000
the president's come and go every four

3760
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:42,880
years

3761
02:23:46,389 --> 02:23:44,880
i thought i thought you and john hit the

3762
02:23:47,590 --> 02:23:46,399
nail right on the head during that

3763
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:47,600
interview

3764
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:53,910
i don't i don't think anybody and you

3765
02:23:57,270 --> 02:23:55,680
guys are the experts uh you guys are the

3766
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:57,280
rock stars in this field

3767
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:58,479
i don't think the government's going to

3768
02:24:02,070 --> 02:23:59,680
come out and say hey we've been lying to

3769
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:02,080
you for 70 years here's the real truth

3770
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:04,240
i don't think that's going to happen uh

3771
02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:06,880
i think we're going to have to have

3772
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:10,560
irrefutable proof what about irrefutable

3773
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:11,280
proof

3774
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:14,479
for you personally as opposed to

3775
02:24:19,030 --> 02:24:17,040
you know videos or the president

3776
02:24:22,150 --> 02:24:19,040
stepping up to a microphone

3777
02:24:25,349 --> 02:24:22,160
but if you had a

3778
02:24:29,110 --> 02:24:25,359
sighting right i mean you

3779
02:24:29,910 --> 02:24:29,120
saw something that you can't explain and

3780
02:24:33,349 --> 02:24:29,920
you know

3781
02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:33,359
force it's not

3782
02:24:36,389 --> 02:24:35,280
either how would i know how would i know

3783
02:24:37,750 --> 02:24:36,399
jimmy how would i know

3784
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:37,760
but that's what i'm saying but that's

3785
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,240
what i'm saying that it would be

3786
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:42,560
the point where you say to yourself well

3787
02:24:54,790 --> 02:24:43,680
that

3788
02:24:55,910 --> 02:24:54,800
because i hear people on your show

3789
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:55,920
all the time with two different

3790
02:25:00,230 --> 02:24:58,640
viewpoints say one will say that

3791
02:25:01,990 --> 02:25:00,240
there's a secret space force that's been

3792
02:25:04,469 --> 02:25:02,000
around for decades and they've got

3793
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:04,479
technology that we we are not even uh

3794
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:05,280
privy to

3795
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:08,880
in in any way and then

3796
02:25:13,270 --> 02:25:11,600
how do we know that whatever we see in

3797
02:25:17,190 --> 02:25:13,280
the sky could be

3798
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:17,200
our own or from a parallel dimension or

3799
02:25:20,710 --> 02:25:18,880
from the future

3800
02:25:22,630 --> 02:25:20,720
i think it's going to take contact i

3801
02:25:24,950 --> 02:25:22,640
think that the real

3802
02:25:26,469 --> 02:25:24,960
solution to disclosure is going to be

3803
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:26,479
actual contact

3804
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:28,560
not with a biological not with an amoeba

3805
02:25:31,349 --> 02:25:29,840
that's stuck to the side of the space

3806
02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:31,359
station but with

3807
02:25:34,710 --> 02:25:33,680
some type of intelligent communication

3808
02:25:36,790 --> 02:25:34,720
or contact

3809
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:36,800
like like independence day you know

3810
02:25:41,110 --> 02:25:38,000
something cruising down

3811
02:25:43,350 --> 02:25:41,120
wilshire boulevard or maybe maybe new

3812
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:43,360
year's eve i mean 2028 over yet dude

3813
02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:45,680
[Laughter]

3814
02:25:52,309 --> 02:25:49,840
right and this is

3815
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:52,319
uh you know i've talked about this a lot

3816
02:25:56,070 --> 02:25:53,040
but

3817
02:25:59,190 --> 02:25:56,080
and i'm not gonna relive the event

3818
02:26:01,990 --> 02:25:59,200
uh here and now but when

3819
02:26:02,950 --> 02:26:02,000
i had the green chrome ball sighting

3820
02:26:05,030 --> 02:26:02,960
which you've heard

3821
02:26:07,510 --> 02:26:05,040
uh you know many times in the past but

3822
02:26:08,710 --> 02:26:07,520
when i had that sighting

3823
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:08,720
you know and i have all these people

3824
02:26:11,670 --> 02:26:10,640
around me we watch this together and it

3825
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:11,680
takes off

3826
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:16,870
one of the things that went through my

3827
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:19,200
mind is what you just said right here

3828
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:22,399
and i'm thinking to myself 29 palms

3829
02:26:28,389 --> 02:26:25,840
is right there right the biggest marine

3830
02:26:29,590 --> 02:26:28,399
air base in the united states it's it's

3831
02:26:33,349 --> 02:26:29,600
right there

3832
02:26:36,469 --> 02:26:33,359
and this is happening right here either

3833
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:36,479
29 palms knows what this is

3834
02:26:43,110 --> 02:26:39,920
and they don't care or

3835
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:43,120
it's 29 palms right maybe

3836
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:46,160
maybe it is our technology

3837
02:26:50,309 --> 02:26:49,120
and that's just what's happening out

3838
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:50,319
here in the desert

3839
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:54,319
that thought did cross my mind yeah

3840
02:26:58,150 --> 02:26:57,359
makes good sense and and i do believe

3841
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:58,160
jimmy

3842
02:27:04,550 --> 02:27:01,520
there is life

3843
02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:07,750
out there but where is out there is it

3844
02:27:12,230 --> 02:27:10,399
other planets is it other dimensions or

3845
02:27:14,469 --> 02:27:12,240
is it the future

3846
02:27:15,670 --> 02:27:14,479
yeah do you think that uh in the short

3847
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:15,680
time that we have left and you're going

3848
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:16,000
to stay

3849
02:27:19,190 --> 02:27:17,359
here for overtime we're going to keep

3850
02:27:22,150 --> 02:27:19,200
this going um

3851
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:22,160
but uh before the break do you think

3852
02:27:25,750 --> 02:27:24,000
that you mentioned chariots of the gods

3853
02:27:30,790 --> 02:27:25,760
do you think that this contact

3854
02:27:33,910 --> 02:27:30,800
has been going on for thousands of years

3855
02:27:35,750 --> 02:27:33,920
i don't believe it 100 but i can tell

3856
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:35,760
you man ancient aliens is one of my

3857
02:27:41,349 --> 02:27:37,439
all-time favorite shows

3858
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:41,359
i i watch it religiously no pun intended

3859
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:41,760
and

3860
02:27:48,230 --> 02:27:45,120
really enjoy the compelling

3861
02:27:50,389 --> 02:27:48,240
theory and the subject matter

3862
02:27:51,750 --> 02:27:50,399
and that like i said at the top when we

3863
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:51,760
started talking about topics and

3864
02:27:56,389 --> 02:27:52,800
subjects

3865
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:56,399
our hidden history fascinates me

3866
02:28:03,990 --> 02:28:00,000
because we just don't know and

3867
02:28:07,830 --> 02:28:04,000
part of me believes that

3868
02:28:10,870 --> 02:28:07,840
there was alien intervention in

3869
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:10,880
our our past the other part of me

3870
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:12,640
believes that there were

3871
02:28:18,790 --> 02:28:16,560
technological civilizations that existed

3872
02:28:19,830 --> 02:28:18,800
ten thousand years ago twenty thousand a

3873
02:28:22,870 --> 02:28:19,840
hundred thousand year

3874
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:22,880
years ago that were wiped out by

3875
02:28:29,670 --> 02:28:26,000
solar flares or other natural

3876
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:29,680
disasters or wiped themselves out and

3877
02:28:36,309 --> 02:28:33,439
civilization and life have been reborn

3878
02:28:36,950 --> 02:28:36,319
over and over again for perhaps millions

3879
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:36,960
of years

3880
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:40,000
throughout earth's history so uh

3881
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:43,120
the olmecs i mean they had more

3882
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:44,479
knowledge of magnetism

3883
02:28:49,190 --> 02:28:47,520
and how

3884
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:49,200
there's there's a lot out there that we

3885
02:28:55,110 --> 02:28:51,600
have forgotten or that we never knew

3886
02:28:56,309 --> 02:28:55,120
and either we knew something in a bygone

3887
02:28:59,349 --> 02:28:56,319
era

3888
02:29:03,110 --> 02:28:59,359
that we've forgotten or somebody

3889
02:29:06,150 --> 02:29:03,120
intervened now obviously there was

3890
02:29:06,710 --> 02:29:06,160
contact between continents because of

3891
02:29:09,590 --> 02:29:06,720
the arc

3892
02:29:11,429 --> 02:29:09,600
archaeology between the uh the temples

3893
02:29:12,870 --> 02:29:11,439
and the pyramids that appear all over

3894
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:12,880
our planet

3895
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:15,439
they didn't happen by coincidence there

3896
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:16,720
is a common

3897
02:29:20,870 --> 02:29:19,439
archaeological route to those structures

3898
02:29:23,990 --> 02:29:20,880
and megalithic buildings

3899
02:29:25,349 --> 02:29:24,000
and and things that that i believe that

3900
02:29:29,030 --> 02:29:25,359
there was contact

3901
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:29,040
between those continents was it alien

3902
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:32,560
was it high-tech humans a past

3903
02:29:35,270 --> 02:29:33,520
civilization

3904
02:29:36,870 --> 02:29:35,280
right i would love to i would love to

3905
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:36,880
know i'd love to take a time machine

3906
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:38,160
back and find out with you

3907
02:29:41,349 --> 02:29:39,840
yeah i know very compelling that's it

3908
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:41,359
that's exactly right and

3909
02:29:49,510 --> 02:29:45,359
uh as we take our break here what

3910
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:49,520
that is easier for me to digest

3911
02:29:54,710 --> 02:29:53,040
than what the skeptics or the historians

3912
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:54,720
come back with and just say well you

3913
02:29:58,790 --> 02:29:57,280
know what it's just part of evolution

3914
02:30:01,510 --> 02:29:58,800
everybody thought at the same thing at

3915
02:30:03,990 --> 02:30:01,520
the same time it was inevitable

3916
02:30:04,790 --> 02:30:04,000
that is tough for me to digest right i

3917
02:30:07,030 --> 02:30:04,800
swallowed that

3918
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:07,040
way no no not at all this is fade to

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black our murals jimmy church

3920
02:30:12,870 --> 02:30:12,080
ron keel is our guest i'm not going to

3921
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:12,880
let him go

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02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:15,600
special event we're doing overtime i'm

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your host jimmy church this is fade to

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4008
02:34:29,190 --> 02:34:27,760
all right welcome back paid to black i'm

4009
02:34:31,190 --> 02:34:29,200
your host jimmy church what a great show

4010
02:34:33,830 --> 02:34:31,200
tonight great conversation ron keel

4011
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:33,840
is our guest for the duration we're

4012
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:35,280
going pole to pole tonight

4013
02:34:38,309 --> 02:34:37,840
uh so we are in the middle of overtime

4014
02:34:41,349 --> 02:34:38,319
and

4015
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:41,359
uh just to keep this going ron i i

4016
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:43,520
mentioned uh to everybody before the

4017
02:34:47,190 --> 02:34:44,800
show tonight

4018
02:34:49,830 --> 02:34:47,200
that i was gonna ask you if you have any

4019
02:34:52,070 --> 02:34:49,840
crystal skulls before you answer that

4020
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:52,080
i want everybody to know i'm looking at

4021
02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:53,520
ron's bunker and

4022
02:34:59,590 --> 02:34:57,600
it is just like my bunker you've got the

4023
02:35:02,469 --> 02:34:59,600
guitars you've got the nice mic

4024
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:02,479
you've got uh a great setup there that

4025
02:35:05,910 --> 02:35:03,120
is uh

4026
02:35:07,750 --> 02:35:05,920
just amazing to see ron seriously um

4027
02:35:09,429 --> 02:35:07,760
call it the fan cave jimmy and i i could

4028
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:09,439
show you on this other wall here these

4029
02:35:13,670 --> 02:35:11,200
are all gifts that were given to me by

4030
02:35:14,950 --> 02:35:13,680
fans this is a performance area in my

4031
02:35:17,190 --> 02:35:14,960
bunker where

4032
02:35:19,349 --> 02:35:17,200
everything on the wall whether it's uh

4033
02:35:20,389 --> 02:35:19,359
some special artwork that was given to

4034
02:35:23,190 --> 02:35:20,399
me by

4035
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:23,200
uh i got a great bigfoot painting that

4036
02:35:26,870 --> 02:35:24,880
was done by claudio bergeron who does

4037
02:35:28,870 --> 02:35:26,880
the judas priest album covers yes

4038
02:35:31,429 --> 02:35:28,880
and uh just gifts from fans whether it's

4039
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:31,439
uh big time cats like claudio or just uh

4040
02:35:34,389 --> 02:35:32,479
you know just it's

4041
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:34,399
decorated with with gifts from fans and

4042
02:35:38,630 --> 02:35:35,760
i do have a skull

4043
02:35:39,429 --> 02:35:38,640
my skull is is rock all right my skull

4044
02:35:41,349 --> 02:35:39,439
is made of rock

4045
02:35:43,590 --> 02:35:41,359
it's not a crystal skull but i'm showing

4046
02:35:45,510 --> 02:35:43,600
you in the uh webcam right now

4047
02:35:46,950 --> 02:35:45,520
and i don't know what kind of rock it is

4048
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:46,960
but it's a gift from a very special

4049
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:48,319
friend i've been holding it

4050
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:50,319
squeezing it in my palm tightly the

4051
02:35:53,750 --> 02:35:52,319
entire interview the entire discussion

4052
02:35:55,910 --> 02:35:53,760
that we've been having tonight

4053
02:35:57,830 --> 02:35:55,920
so it's been with me the whole time

4054
02:35:59,590 --> 02:35:57,840
actually hold it up to the camera again

4055
02:36:01,190 --> 02:35:59,600
okay pull it back just a little bit let

4056
02:36:06,150 --> 02:36:01,200
me see it that

4057
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:08,630
that looks like okay i'm going to tell

4058
02:36:13,429 --> 02:36:10,319
you what that is

4059
02:36:15,190 --> 02:36:13,439
okay i think it's ruby

4060
02:36:17,110 --> 02:36:15,200
do you see the did you see that patch of

4061
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:17,120
ruby on the bottom that red patch of

4062
02:36:20,230 --> 02:36:18,560
ruby in the bottom yeah it's like a red

4063
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,240
thing at the beginning

4064
02:36:24,389 --> 02:36:22,319
really cool very special gift and my

4065
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:24,399
wife is actually the crystal

4066
02:36:29,670 --> 02:36:27,439
uh keeper of of the house she is a

4067
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:29,680
collection of rocks and crystals that is

4068
02:36:32,950 --> 02:36:31,280
always basking in the moonlight we've

4069
02:36:34,710 --> 02:36:32,960
got a big window

4070
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:34,720
in our main living room where the the

4071
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:36,640
crystals will soak up the energy from

4072
02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:38,640
outside and she'll give me

4073
02:36:41,990 --> 02:36:40,399
uh certain crystals and i wish i could

4074
02:36:43,830 --> 02:36:42,000
name them like she does but

4075
02:36:45,590 --> 02:36:43,840
she'll she'll sense my emotions or my

4076
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:45,600
feelings whether i'm down or whether i

4077
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:46,960
need to be grounded or whatever she's

4078
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,359
like

4079
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:50,000
put this in your pocket today yeah right

4080
02:36:54,150 --> 02:36:51,359
and uh

4081
02:36:55,190 --> 02:36:54,160
i've got a special green crystal it's

4082
02:36:56,870 --> 02:36:55,200
absolutely beautiful with

4083
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:56,880
crystals exploding out of it it's a

4084
02:37:00,230 --> 02:36:58,399
green rock with crystals i

4085
02:37:01,670 --> 02:37:00,240
wish i knew exactly what it was called

4086
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,680
but that's my music stone

4087
02:37:05,110 --> 02:37:03,280
it goes on the music stand whenever i'm

4088
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:05,120
cutting a vocal track and i'm

4089
02:37:08,230 --> 02:37:07,439
singing to the stone and it hopefully

4090
02:37:10,710 --> 02:37:08,240
getting some

4091
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:10,720
energy and inspiration from that so uh

4092
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:12,240
my wife is a firm believer in the

4093
02:37:18,070 --> 02:37:14,160
crystal uh

4094
02:37:21,830 --> 02:37:18,080
uh lifestyle yeah lifestyle

4095
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:21,840
sure but the powers of the crystals are

4096
02:37:26,710 --> 02:37:24,880
certainly uh evident in the keel house

4097
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:26,720
now uh i'm just going to let you know

4098
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:28,240
ron you are

4099
02:37:34,150 --> 02:37:31,359
officially uh the dude uh

4100
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:34,160
uh i'm just watching twitter here uh

4101
02:37:36,710 --> 02:37:34,800
just to

4102
02:37:37,910 --> 02:37:36,720
you know and i i knew it i didn't know

4103
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:37,920
about the crystal skull

4104
02:37:41,590 --> 02:37:40,640
i didn't know i didn't know i i knew it

4105
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:41,600
was there

4106
02:37:53,190 --> 02:37:49,110
i have not seen a ghost and that term

4107
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:53,200
just the term ghost are we talking

4108
02:38:00,070 --> 02:37:57,439
spirits entities energy

4109
02:38:02,230 --> 02:38:00,080
dead people i mean is that a an umbrella

4110
02:38:03,910 --> 02:38:02,240
term for what a ghost really is because

4111
02:38:05,590 --> 02:38:03,920
i do believe in spirits

4112
02:38:06,950 --> 02:38:05,600
i feel their presence around me i could

4113
02:38:09,990 --> 02:38:06,960
tell you one story would

4114
02:38:13,429 --> 02:38:10,000
which made me a true believer but uh

4115
02:38:16,550 --> 02:38:13,439
ghosts okay what happened not seen

4116
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:16,560
i have not seen uh uh

4117
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:18,640
an entity or something like that that i

4118
02:38:23,590 --> 02:38:21,120
can't explain except on tv

4119
02:38:25,270 --> 02:38:23,600
what made you a true believer this

4120
02:38:27,510 --> 02:38:25,280
experience is something that i cannot

4121
02:38:30,469 --> 02:38:27,520
explain that is physically impossible

4122
02:38:32,230 --> 02:38:30,479
that was was for me evidence that

4123
02:38:35,270 --> 02:38:32,240
somebody was looking out for me

4124
02:38:38,150 --> 02:38:35,280
and i had property up in nevada this is

4125
02:38:38,630 --> 02:38:38,160
gosh not far from area 51 actually we

4126
02:38:41,990 --> 02:38:38,640
lived

4127
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:42,000
property halfway between vegas

4128
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:43,920
and reno and we would go up there to the

4129
02:38:48,469 --> 02:38:45,920
property and tow a trailer

4130
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:48,479
and camp out on our property 10 acres up

4131
02:38:51,510 --> 02:38:49,920
in the sierra nevada mountains and

4132
02:38:53,510 --> 02:38:51,520
absolutely beautiful country

4133
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:53,520
and one night we did the drive from

4134
02:38:57,510 --> 02:38:55,600
vegas to the to the town to the city

4135
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:57,520
limit so a little town called dyer

4136
02:39:00,950 --> 02:39:00,240
nevada fish lake i think there's 300

4137
02:39:03,349 --> 02:39:00,960
people there

4138
02:39:04,469 --> 02:39:03,359
and we stopped at the campground i undid

4139
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:04,479
the trailer

4140
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:06,720
and we took the truck for a little drive

4141
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:08,399
and we got back to the camp i'd had a

4142
02:39:13,750 --> 02:39:10,399
few drinks

4143
02:39:15,270 --> 02:39:13,760
and the next morning when we

4144
02:39:17,190 --> 02:39:15,280
hooked up the trailer to go to our

4145
02:39:18,550 --> 02:39:17,200
property i did not put the pin

4146
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:18,560
in the trailer hitch you know the tongue

4147
02:39:21,670 --> 02:39:21,120
fits into the the trailer hitch on the

4148
02:39:24,630 --> 02:39:21,680
truck

4149
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:24,640
i did not put the pin in i forgot to do

4150
02:39:27,510 --> 02:39:25,600
that which is

4151
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:27,520
that's that's serious that's a bad

4152
02:39:32,710 --> 02:39:29,040
situation so

4153
02:39:38,230 --> 02:39:32,720
we it's 16 miles uphill

4154
02:39:41,190 --> 02:39:38,240
up a very bad four-wheel drive road

4155
02:39:42,469 --> 02:39:41,200
and we finally get to the edge of our

4156
02:39:45,670 --> 02:39:42,479
property

4157
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:45,680
and the trailer falls off and i go out

4158
02:39:48,790 --> 02:39:46,479
and i look at it

4159
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:48,800
the the tongue of the trailer is buried

4160
02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:50,960
in the ground and

4161
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:53,200
there's no way there's no way that i

4162
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:54,960
made it up that mountain

4163
02:39:58,150 --> 02:39:57,120
without that pin in that trailer hitch

4164
02:39:59,910 --> 02:39:58,160
jimmy

4165
02:40:01,590 --> 02:39:59,920
somebody was looking out for me the

4166
02:40:04,550 --> 02:40:01,600
spirits of my ancestors

4167
02:40:05,429 --> 02:40:04,560
or somebody kept that trailer attached

4168
02:40:07,429 --> 02:40:05,439
to that truck

4169
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:07,439
there's physically i'm going uphill with

4170
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:09,439
a trailer that's not there's no pin and

4171
02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:12,399
that that to me is physical evidence of

4172
02:40:15,429 --> 02:40:13,279
something

4173
02:40:17,269 --> 02:40:15,439
and why did it wait until i just pulled

4174
02:40:17,910 --> 02:40:17,279
onto my property and i'm finally where i

4175
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:17,920
belong

4176
02:40:21,590 --> 02:40:20,399
and then the trailer just comes off like

4177
02:40:25,269 --> 02:40:21,600
like just slipped out of its

4178
02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:25,279
sleeve uh i truly truly believe

4179
02:40:29,750 --> 02:40:27,840
that whether it's my parents my my

4180
02:40:32,230 --> 02:40:29,760
parents who were passed away or

4181
02:40:33,830 --> 02:40:32,240
some other ancestor or some other spirit

4182
02:40:35,190 --> 02:40:33,840
was looking out for me because it could

4183
02:40:37,429 --> 02:40:35,200
have been deadly

4184
02:40:39,269 --> 02:40:37,439
it could have been you know at the very

4185
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:39,279
least i could have lost my trailer but

4186
02:40:42,870 --> 02:40:41,120
uh that to me was there's no way this

4187
02:40:43,830 --> 02:40:42,880
happened this there's no explanation for

4188
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:43,840
it and i know that

4189
02:40:47,429 --> 02:40:45,840
that story pales in comparison to many

4190
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:47,439
of your guests who have

4191
02:40:51,030 --> 02:40:50,720
really true ghost stories to tell but i

4192
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:51,040
do

4193
02:40:56,349 --> 02:40:53,680
feel the presence all the time and

4194
02:40:59,190 --> 02:40:56,359
sometimes with sense

4195
02:41:02,070 --> 02:40:59,200
s-c-e-n-t-s sense not i don't have any

4196
02:41:05,429 --> 02:41:02,080
sense but i do smell

4197
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:05,439
my father from time to time especially

4198
02:41:09,590 --> 02:41:08,319
smells like campfire uh we used to camp

4199
02:41:11,429 --> 02:41:09,600
a lot we used to spend a lot of time out

4200
02:41:13,590 --> 02:41:11,439
in the arizona mountains looking at ufos

4201
02:41:15,910 --> 02:41:13,600
we're looking for ufos as i told you and

4202
02:41:18,870 --> 02:41:15,920
you'll go to a spot in the house and

4203
02:41:23,030 --> 02:41:18,880
you'll just smell campfire

4204
02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:23,040
i feel like i'm being watched over or

4205
02:41:26,309 --> 02:41:24,880
looked out for or accompanied on this

4206
02:41:28,550 --> 02:41:26,319
journey i do not feel alone

4207
02:41:30,070 --> 02:41:28,560
and i i can't explain it i'm a simple

4208
02:41:31,830 --> 02:41:30,080
man i'm a rock and roll singer

4209
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:31,840
who who's been on a mission for the last

4210
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:33,120
40 years to

4211
02:41:38,710 --> 02:41:36,160
to entertain people but i i do believe

4212
02:41:39,830 --> 02:41:38,720
that there's a lot more that i can't

4213
02:41:42,230 --> 02:41:39,840
comprehend

4214
02:41:43,429 --> 02:41:42,240
understand or explain but i believe it's

4215
02:41:46,950 --> 02:41:43,439
there now

4216
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:46,960
you you you mentioned uh

4217
02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:49,680
the way that i think when it comes to

4218
02:41:53,910 --> 02:41:50,960
ghosts

4219
02:41:56,150 --> 02:41:53,920
uh is it is it a time traveler is it

4220
02:41:59,190 --> 02:41:56,160
extra dimensional is it is it a dead

4221
02:42:00,150 --> 02:41:59,200
person still hanging out in in some

4222
02:42:04,950 --> 02:42:00,160
weird

4223
02:42:09,190 --> 02:42:04,960
dimension um is it all of the above

4224
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:09,200
and if if that is ever figured out

4225
02:42:13,190 --> 02:42:11,200
does that just open up the door to

4226
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:13,200
everything else does it answer the

4227
02:42:18,950 --> 02:42:15,760
questions to so many things that we

4228
02:42:20,870 --> 02:42:18,960
we constantly ponder well there will

4229
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:20,880
always be questions but that would solve

4230
02:42:25,830 --> 02:42:22,319
a lot of problems man

4231
02:42:27,590 --> 02:42:25,840
you know i mean uh as ronald reagan said

4232
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:27,600
we would quickly come together

4233
02:42:30,790 --> 02:42:30,479
if there was a force from another world

4234
02:42:34,389 --> 02:42:30,800
that

4235
02:42:36,070 --> 02:42:34,399
uh threatened us and uh

4236
02:42:37,590 --> 02:42:36,080
if we could have the answer to those

4237
02:42:39,670 --> 02:42:37,600
questions that you are

4238
02:42:40,870 --> 02:42:39,680
probing for on your show night after

4239
02:42:44,469 --> 02:42:40,880
night

4240
02:42:47,349 --> 02:42:44,479
it would uh certainly

4241
02:42:48,469 --> 02:42:47,359
solve a lot of our problems when when we

4242
02:42:52,150 --> 02:42:48,479
talk about

4243
02:42:54,070 --> 02:42:52,160
uh ghosts today and and i love the ghost

4244
02:42:56,070 --> 02:42:54,080
hunting shows and ghost adventures and

4245
02:42:59,990 --> 02:42:56,080
things i watch all of that stuff

4246
02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:00,000
but is it the same thing

4247
02:43:04,950 --> 02:43:03,520
that let's say moses was talking about

4248
02:43:07,429 --> 02:43:04,960
in the bible or

4249
02:43:07,990 --> 02:43:07,439
or those in the past historically

4250
02:43:12,150 --> 02:43:08,000
speaking

4251
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:12,160
documented situations where they spoke

4252
02:43:15,990 --> 02:43:15,359
to angels well are we talking about

4253
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:16,000
ghosts here

4254
02:43:19,990 --> 02:43:18,160
are we talking about e.t are we talking

4255
02:43:22,950 --> 02:43:20,000
about time travelers

4256
02:43:24,150 --> 02:43:22,960
they may say angels right because they

4257
02:43:27,269 --> 02:43:24,160
don't have another term

4258
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:27,279
for it and put a a religious spin on it

4259
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:28,000
so they don't

4260
02:43:34,790 --> 02:43:31,600
freak out uh the town or the community

4261
02:43:35,269 --> 02:43:34,800
uh that they're in but are generally

4262
02:43:37,590 --> 02:43:35,279
speaking

4263
02:43:39,750 --> 02:43:37,600
are we just talking about the same thing

4264
02:43:44,389 --> 02:43:39,760
i think it's probably all of the above

4265
02:43:47,590 --> 02:43:44,399
if i had to choose a belief system

4266
02:43:49,110 --> 02:43:47,600
experience maturity knowledge and the

4267
02:43:50,710 --> 02:43:49,120
the information that i've tried to

4268
02:43:52,230 --> 02:43:50,720
absorb

4269
02:43:53,990 --> 02:43:52,240
leads me to believe that it's not any

4270
02:43:55,349 --> 02:43:54,000
one thing they're not all ghosts and

4271
02:43:56,870 --> 02:43:55,359
they're not all from another dimension

4272
02:43:59,429 --> 02:43:56,880
they're not all from the future it's

4273
02:44:02,550 --> 02:43:59,439
probably a combination of a lot of these

4274
02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:02,560
different factors that uh that we'll

4275
02:44:07,590 --> 02:44:04,560
never know or explain but

4276
02:44:09,269 --> 02:44:07,600
how how much proof

4277
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:09,279
i don't know i guess if i if i actually

4278
02:44:14,309 --> 02:44:11,120
saw something

4279
02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:14,319
i would believe uh if the

4280
02:44:19,429 --> 02:44:17,600
the abduction uh phenomenon

4281
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:19,439
fascinates me because it is so well

4282
02:44:23,110 --> 02:44:20,880
documented

4283
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:23,120
and getting not getting back to ufos but

4284
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:25,600
this is documented

4285
02:44:30,070 --> 02:44:28,479
proof that uh something has been going

4286
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:30,080
on with the abduction phenomenon for

4287
02:44:35,910 --> 02:44:32,880
decades now or perhaps centuries

4288
02:44:38,469 --> 02:44:35,920
but when will it become

4289
02:44:39,510 --> 02:44:38,479
scientifically verifiable and i guess

4290
02:44:42,070 --> 02:44:39,520
that's the

4291
02:44:43,590 --> 02:44:42,080
the question that we're all hoping for

4292
02:44:46,389 --> 02:44:43,600
or trying to answer

4293
02:44:48,070 --> 02:44:46,399
and sometimes you can become a believer

4294
02:44:49,670 --> 02:44:48,080
by

4295
02:44:51,110 --> 02:44:49,680
seeing something on some of these tv

4296
02:44:52,389 --> 02:44:51,120
shows that you and i both watch

4297
02:44:54,389 --> 02:44:52,399
the paranormal shows and the ghost

4298
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:54,399
hunting shows which we we thoroughly

4299
02:44:58,950 --> 02:44:55,359
enjoy

4300
02:45:01,269 --> 02:44:58,960
but um

4301
02:45:02,870 --> 02:45:01,279
i think it's not being skeptical it's

4302
02:45:06,230 --> 02:45:02,880
just being

4303
02:45:09,590 --> 02:45:06,240
uh being i've seen enough magic shows

4304
02:45:11,030 --> 02:45:09,600
to know that uh my eyes and my brain can

4305
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:11,040
certainly be fooled

4306
02:45:15,590 --> 02:45:13,760
and but i i've seen enough and heard

4307
02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:15,600
enough and felt enough to know that

4308
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:18,160
there's there are powers out there

4309
02:45:23,830 --> 02:45:20,800
beyond the scope of my understanding

4310
02:45:27,030 --> 02:45:23,840
and have i ever been uh have i ever

4311
02:45:29,190 --> 02:45:27,040
seen a ghost no uh have i ever

4312
02:45:32,870 --> 02:45:29,200
experienced

4313
02:45:37,349 --> 02:45:32,880
a paranormal uh

4314
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:37,359
experience that that gave me

4315
02:45:40,469 --> 02:45:39,840
undeniable proof of some of these

4316
02:45:43,110 --> 02:45:40,479
phenomena

4317
02:45:44,550 --> 02:45:43,120
no i haven't but i do have an open mind

4318
02:45:45,910 --> 02:45:44,560
and i would uh

4319
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:45,920
i would love to have some of the same

4320
02:45:48,389 --> 02:45:47,600
answers that we're all searching for do

4321
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:48,399
you think that

4322
02:45:53,670 --> 02:45:51,439
you are an example of

4323
02:45:56,070 --> 02:45:53,680
of the rest of the world in that you

4324
02:45:59,110 --> 02:45:56,080
don't necessarily have to have

4325
02:46:02,070 --> 02:45:59,120
a ufo sighting or or be abducted

4326
02:46:02,870 --> 02:46:02,080
or see a ghost to wonder about these

4327
02:46:06,790 --> 02:46:02,880
subjects

4328
02:46:09,590 --> 02:46:06,800
and when the reveal happens

4329
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:09,600
do you freak out does the rest of the

4330
02:46:13,349 --> 02:46:10,080
world

4331
02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:15,830
i don't think so i don't i i think that

4332
02:46:18,710 --> 02:46:17,520
we have been conditioned and prepared

4333
02:46:21,750 --> 02:46:18,720
for it enough by

4334
02:46:22,630 --> 02:46:21,760
uh popular culture the last half century

4335
02:46:26,070 --> 02:46:22,640
or more

4336
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:26,080
to where if it did happen

4337
02:46:29,429 --> 02:46:28,560
i think that uh obviously it would be a

4338
02:46:31,830 --> 02:46:29,439
game changer

4339
02:46:33,510 --> 02:46:31,840
no pun intended but i don't i certainly

4340
02:46:36,550 --> 02:46:33,520
don't think that i'm typical of

4341
02:46:39,750 --> 02:46:36,560
i'm not i'm not like everyone else in

4342
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:39,760
the fact that uh

4343
02:46:47,110 --> 02:46:43,200
i do have some people

4344
02:46:49,309 --> 02:46:47,120
will believe anything unfortunately i've

4345
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:49,319
i've been fed so much

4346
02:46:53,830 --> 02:46:52,560
disinformation that i'm not smart enough

4347
02:46:55,750 --> 02:46:53,840
or i don't have time enough

4348
02:46:57,190 --> 02:46:55,760
to do the research to sort it out now i

4349
02:47:00,150 --> 02:46:57,200
will hear

4350
02:47:01,110 --> 02:47:00,160
a theory such as the uh the time

4351
02:47:03,990 --> 02:47:01,120
traveler

4352
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:04,000
theory that i mentioned with michael

4353
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:05,600
masters in his book

4354
02:47:09,030 --> 02:47:07,920
that that man that that really makes a

4355
02:47:11,349 --> 02:47:09,040
lot of sense to me and

4356
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:11,359
whether i'm a believer or not i believe

4357
02:47:17,429 --> 02:47:13,840
that there is a distinct possibility now

4358
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:17,439
i do have beliefs that

4359
02:47:20,550 --> 02:47:19,120
maybe you're left of center the hollow

4360
02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:20,560
earth yes

4361
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:22,720
now i know we've discussed this on your

4362
02:47:27,590 --> 02:47:24,800
program from time to time

4363
02:47:29,269 --> 02:47:27,600
i absolutely believe that the earth is

4364
02:47:31,670 --> 02:47:29,279
hollow is that

4365
02:47:33,349 --> 02:47:31,680
am i going to lose my fans over being a

4366
02:47:35,110 --> 02:47:33,359
tinfoil hat guy but

4367
02:47:37,030 --> 02:47:35,120
that that theory to me makes a lot of

4368
02:47:40,389 --> 02:47:37,040
sense uh

4369
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:40,399
geologically and and uh in in from from

4370
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:41,760
the

4371
02:47:47,429 --> 02:47:45,920
hollow earth

4372
02:47:49,590 --> 02:47:47,439
i actually absolutely believe that the

4373
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:49,600
earth is hollow and uh

4374
02:47:54,469 --> 02:47:52,720
maybe that makes me that makes me one of

4375
02:47:56,710 --> 02:47:54,479
you

4376
02:47:58,309 --> 02:47:56,720
i'm gonna let everybody know i can see

4377
02:48:01,510 --> 02:47:58,319
ron is smiling

4378
02:48:05,030 --> 02:48:01,520
as he says this and

4379
02:48:05,349 --> 02:48:05,040
and and i get it right i i totally get

4380
02:48:08,389 --> 02:48:05,359
it

4381
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:08,399
do you feel do you feel that you're out

4382
02:48:11,110 --> 02:48:09,359
of the closet

4383
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:11,120
like coming on the show tonight do you

4384
02:48:16,230 --> 02:48:13,439
feel freer

4385
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:16,240
i do i do and i wish we had more time we

4386
02:48:19,110 --> 02:48:17,120
could talk about

4387
02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:19,120
uh some other things that i believe

4388
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:21,120
really i think it's up to everyone to

4389
02:48:26,150 --> 02:48:21,680
make

4390
02:48:29,830 --> 02:48:26,160
very much like religion

4391
02:48:31,429 --> 02:48:29,840
and there are so many of them that uh

4392
02:48:33,030 --> 02:48:31,439
they can't all be right and they can't

4393
02:48:35,349 --> 02:48:33,040
all be wrong

4394
02:48:37,429 --> 02:48:35,359
but i think we have to keep looking for

4395
02:48:39,590 --> 02:48:37,439
the answers i think that the search

4396
02:48:41,269 --> 02:48:39,600
and the journey is what's important

4397
02:48:42,469 --> 02:48:41,279
we'll never have all the answers jimmy

4398
02:48:44,070 --> 02:48:42,479
we'll never know

4399
02:48:46,230 --> 02:48:44,080
what happened ten thousand twenty

4400
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:46,240
thousand hundred thousand years ago

4401
02:48:49,990 --> 02:48:49,200
uh maybe not never say never i learned

4402
02:48:52,230 --> 02:48:50,000
that

4403
02:48:53,750 --> 02:48:52,240
uh in my career and in my life never say

4404
02:48:56,550 --> 02:48:53,760
never we may

4405
02:48:58,630 --> 02:48:56,560
it's quite probable that in my lifetime

4406
02:49:02,230 --> 02:48:58,640
i won't have those answers

4407
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:02,240
and well but that search that

4408
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:05,200
interest in these topics and subjects is

4409
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:06,240
fascinating

4410
02:49:09,910 --> 02:49:08,479
it's compelling and it makes us more

4411
02:49:12,230 --> 02:49:09,920
than

4412
02:49:13,910 --> 02:49:12,240
just that the guy next door the guy that

4413
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:13,920
did you know we all work hard for a

4414
02:49:17,990 --> 02:49:15,520
living we're all busy we all have we

4415
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,000
love our kids we love our families and

4416
02:49:21,590 --> 02:49:20,560
and uh but there's something that makes

4417
02:49:29,750 --> 02:49:21,600
us

4418
02:49:31,269 --> 02:49:29,760
get to this point in human history that

4419
02:49:33,349 --> 02:49:31,279
we're always looking for

4420
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:33,359
what's on the other side of that mystery

4421
02:49:36,150 --> 02:49:34,800
or that mountain or the other side of

4422
02:49:37,910 --> 02:49:36,160
that ocean or

4423
02:49:39,590 --> 02:49:37,920
the other side of that dimension or

4424
02:49:40,870 --> 02:49:39,600
whatever and that the journey and the

4425
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:40,880
questions to me are

4426
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:42,080
are absolutely compelling and

4427
02:49:47,190 --> 02:49:44,880
fascinating and i enjoy

4428
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:47,200
i enjoy that search with you and your

4429
02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:49,600
listeners and other

4430
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:51,520
authorities that have a lot more

4431
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:52,960
knowledge and experience and research

4432
02:49:56,950 --> 02:49:54,000
than i do but i think it's

4433
02:49:57,510 --> 02:49:56,960
fascinating and i i certainly would love

4434
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:57,520
to

4435
02:50:02,150 --> 02:50:00,720
was built or

4436
02:50:03,750 --> 02:50:02,160
where these people went or where they

4437
02:50:05,830 --> 02:50:03,760
came from or

4438
02:50:07,590 --> 02:50:05,840
is there life out there and is there

4439
02:50:09,510 --> 02:50:07,600
life after death i don't know man

4440
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:09,520
i don't know i'm looking forward to

4441
02:50:14,469 --> 02:50:11,920
finding out not that i want to die

4442
02:50:15,269 --> 02:50:14,479
but i'm not i'm not afraid of that i i

4443
02:50:19,269 --> 02:50:15,279
welcome

4444
02:50:22,389 --> 02:50:19,279
whatever the next step may be

4445
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:22,399
if it's heaven hell or nothing

4446
02:50:29,110 --> 02:50:25,520
or something in between i i'm not sure

4447
02:50:30,630 --> 02:50:29,120
but i'll i'll i'll accept that challenge

4448
02:50:31,590 --> 02:50:30,640
lick i've accepted every other challenge

4449
02:50:35,670 --> 02:50:31,600
along the way

4450
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:37,750
go back lee tappy wasn't supposed to

4451
02:50:40,710 --> 02:50:39,279
exist and i know you've heard me talk

4452
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:40,720
about this a lot but it wasn't supposed

4453
02:50:45,429 --> 02:50:42,080
to exist

4454
02:50:47,670 --> 02:50:45,439
and when it finally

4455
02:50:49,110 --> 02:50:47,680
that kind of definitive proof something

4456
02:50:51,670 --> 02:50:49,120
7 000 years

4457
02:50:53,830 --> 02:50:51,680
older than the great pyramids wasn't

4458
02:50:58,389 --> 02:50:53,840
supposed to exist civilization couldn't

4459
02:51:01,590 --> 02:50:58,399
be but it did the man didn't come clean

4460
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:01,600
right you know what i mean

4461
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:04,880
what more can we ask for

4462
02:51:08,710 --> 02:51:07,760
than something like go beckley teppy

4463
02:51:11,990 --> 02:51:08,720
that would

4464
02:51:13,910 --> 02:51:12,000
uh force history to be rewritten to be

4465
02:51:14,790 --> 02:51:13,920
covered in the news the most amazing

4466
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:14,800
place

4467
02:51:19,269 --> 02:51:17,600
in the world here it is go back lee tepe

4468
02:51:21,030 --> 02:51:19,279
and that didn't change things

4469
02:51:22,630 --> 02:51:21,040
i don't know absolutely yeah i believe

4470
02:51:24,790 --> 02:51:22,640
robert shock's uh

4471
02:51:25,990 --> 02:51:24,800
theory of the uh sphinx being much older

4472
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:26,000
than it really is i believe that's

4473
02:51:29,030 --> 02:51:26,880
definitive proof

4474
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:29,040
i think shock has proved his point and

4475
02:51:33,030 --> 02:51:31,439
that sphinx is a lot older than they say

4476
02:51:36,070 --> 02:51:33,040
it is or that they think it is

4477
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:36,080
and they still will deny it because

4478
02:51:40,950 --> 02:51:39,200
i i don't i don't understand why what's

4479
02:51:44,830 --> 02:51:40,960
the problem rewriting history we've been

4480
02:51:47,349 --> 02:51:44,840
doing that forever and uh

4481
02:51:49,110 --> 02:51:47,359
science doesn't have all the answers and

4482
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:49,120
everybody this year is a big year for

4483
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:51,200
trust the science trust the science we

4484
02:51:54,150 --> 02:51:52,640
keep hearing that on our mainstream

4485
02:51:56,950 --> 02:51:54,160
media every day well

4486
02:51:58,710 --> 02:51:56,960
galileo was a scientist who spent the

4487
02:52:01,750 --> 02:51:58,720
last 10 years of his life

4488
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:01,760
under house arrest until he died

4489
02:52:08,710 --> 02:52:05,600
until he died he believed that

4490
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:08,720
the earth revolved around the sun

4491
02:52:12,870 --> 02:52:11,520
and he was under house arrest for the

4492
02:52:14,710 --> 02:52:12,880
last 10 years of his life because he

4493
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:14,720
believed that turned out to be true man

4494
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:18,560
and uh so trust the science

4495
02:52:22,230 --> 02:52:19,920
yeah i bet they were telling him that

4496
02:52:23,830 --> 02:52:22,240
too back in the day yeah and

4497
02:52:25,510 --> 02:52:23,840
yeah i mean what's it gonna take

4498
02:52:28,630 --> 02:52:25,520
atlantis to like

4499
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:28,640
rise up out of the ocean

4500
02:52:32,790 --> 02:52:30,720
would that be enough at this point after

4501
02:52:34,710 --> 02:52:32,800
go backwards

4502
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:34,720
i'm not i'm not so sure that's good

4503
02:52:39,110 --> 02:52:35,920
enough ron

4504
02:52:41,830 --> 02:52:39,120
i'm not so sure and uh

4505
02:52:43,590 --> 02:52:41,840
i when when i hear the stuff covered in

4506
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:43,600
mainstream media

4507
02:52:48,469 --> 02:52:46,880
i'm forced to do one thing

4508
02:52:51,110 --> 02:52:48,479
and look i'm part of the mainstream

4509
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:51,120
media and so are you and i am part of it

4510
02:52:56,230 --> 02:52:54,080
i speak to a large audience sometimes i

4511
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:56,240
feel like i have too much influence

4512
02:53:03,190 --> 02:52:59,760
and i do have to throttle things back

4513
02:53:05,830 --> 02:53:03,200
i i do i understand the responsibility

4514
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:05,840
but when i'm seeing the mainstream media

4515
02:53:08,550 --> 02:53:06,479
today

4516
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:08,560
whether it's economics or the pandemic

4517
02:53:13,429 --> 02:53:10,080
or racism and

4518
02:53:14,630 --> 02:53:13,439
and and and and riots and war and and

4519
02:53:16,550 --> 02:53:14,640
politics and

4520
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:16,560
everything that is on the table these

4521
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:18,000
days um

4522
02:53:21,750 --> 02:53:20,240
when i hear the mainstream media talk

4523
02:53:25,830 --> 02:53:21,760
about ufos

4524
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:25,840
suddenly i have to ask myself why

4525
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:28,560
what what's really going why this change

4526
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:30,000
in attitude

4527
02:53:33,349 --> 02:53:32,319
i i i'm part of the mainstream media and

4528
02:53:35,190 --> 02:53:33,359
i don't trust them

4529
02:53:36,950 --> 02:53:35,200
do you find yourself asking the same

4530
02:53:41,190 --> 02:53:36,960
question why would they

4531
02:53:44,230 --> 02:53:41,200
all of a sudden declassify those

4532
02:53:47,590 --> 02:53:44,240
uh videos of the tic tac ufos and and

4533
02:53:50,950 --> 02:53:47,600
all these years later there is

4534
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:50,960
a method to their madness and

4535
02:53:55,269 --> 02:53:53,120
whether it's the new world order which

4536
02:53:57,590 --> 02:53:55,279
we've talked about uh you know on

4537
02:53:58,710 --> 02:53:57,600
on your show and all these these types

4538
02:54:01,910 --> 02:53:58,720
of platforms

4539
02:54:05,269 --> 02:54:01,920
the new world order or the cabal

4540
02:54:09,429 --> 02:54:05,279
or uh all of these things that people

4541
02:54:09,750 --> 02:54:09,439
believe that don't exist or maybe they

4542
02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:09,760
do

4543
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:13,520
and there's a reason for it

4544
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:17,600
or sometimes it's just a mistake and

4545
02:54:22,950 --> 02:54:21,120
i don't i don't know why

4546
02:54:27,349 --> 02:54:22,960
the mainstream media or the government

4547
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:28,950
and it's we don't have enough time to

4548
02:54:33,110 --> 02:54:30,560
get back into that

4549
02:54:34,790 --> 02:54:33,120
that rabbit hole and who's at the top of

4550
02:54:36,469 --> 02:54:34,800
that that food chain whether it's george

4551
02:54:39,510 --> 02:54:36,479
soros or anybody else but

4552
02:54:40,790 --> 02:54:39,520
um i don't know and uh but i see

4553
02:54:43,830 --> 02:54:40,800
evidence

4554
02:54:45,030 --> 02:54:43,840
from time to time that that makes me

4555
02:54:48,150 --> 02:54:45,040
wonder

4556
02:54:48,710 --> 02:54:48,160
who's really in charge now uh i want to

4557
02:54:50,710 --> 02:54:48,720
thank you

4558
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:50,720
uh we've got a little bit of time left

4559
02:54:55,030 --> 02:54:53,120
uh what a great conversation tonight and

4560
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:55,040
and i knew we would run out of time i

4561
02:54:59,510 --> 02:54:56,880
look forward to the

4562
02:55:01,349 --> 02:54:59,520
but what is going on now where can

4563
02:55:04,309 --> 02:55:01,359
everybody go and listen to

4564
02:55:05,429 --> 02:55:04,319
your radio program what's the band doing

4565
02:55:07,510 --> 02:55:05,439
uh

4566
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:07,520
are you in the middle of a new album and

4567
02:55:10,950 --> 02:55:08,560
i he just

4568
02:55:12,230 --> 02:55:10,960
he just tossed his skull everybody i

4569
02:55:14,790 --> 02:55:12,240
just watched him catch it

4570
02:55:16,150 --> 02:55:14,800
skull juggling that was cool that was

4571
02:55:18,710 --> 02:55:16,160
cool so what what's going

4572
02:55:20,750 --> 02:55:18,720
on and where can everybody go i have a

4573
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:20,760
one-stop shop jimmy it's

4574
02:55:25,349 --> 02:55:23,040
ronkeel.com all of the links to all the

4575
02:55:27,550 --> 02:55:25,359
social media the youtube channel

4576
02:55:29,349 --> 02:55:27,560
and everything can be found at

4577
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:29,359
ronkeel.com

4578
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:31,120
i'm a firm believer in that uh

4579
02:55:35,670 --> 02:55:33,279
traditional website

4580
02:55:37,910 --> 02:55:35,680
uh of course uh huge social media guy as

4581
02:55:39,190 --> 02:55:37,920
well very active on facebook and twitter

4582
02:55:41,190 --> 02:55:39,200
that's how you and i reconnected

4583
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:41,200
recently uh by following each other on

4584
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:42,160
twitter

4585
02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:44,720
uh ronkeel.com that's where you can find

4586
02:55:48,309 --> 02:55:45,520
all of my music

4587
02:55:49,030 --> 02:55:48,319
all of my projects i've maintained a a

4588
02:55:52,550 --> 02:55:49,040
very

4589
02:55:53,990 --> 02:55:52,560
uh aggressive level of activity uh

4590
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:54,000
throughout my entire career i've never

4591
02:55:57,510 --> 02:55:55,760
stopped i've never slowed down

4592
02:55:59,110 --> 02:55:57,520
i've got a new album out called south by

4593
02:56:00,389 --> 02:55:59,120
south dakota which is a collection of

4594
02:56:03,110 --> 02:56:00,399
southern rock covers

4595
02:56:03,910 --> 02:56:03,120
i was able to to squeeze in 24 shows

4596
02:56:06,950 --> 02:56:03,920
this year

4597
02:56:08,389 --> 02:56:06,960
despite the pandemic but uh i also want

4598
02:56:12,309 --> 02:56:08,399
to

4599
02:56:14,870 --> 02:56:12,319
reneekeel.com she has a book

4600
02:56:16,950 --> 02:56:14,880
about her cancer experience which really

4601
02:56:18,630 --> 02:56:16,960
gave me the uh

4602
02:56:20,870 --> 02:56:18,640
the platform online which i've been

4603
02:56:22,469 --> 02:56:20,880
using the last several years

4604
02:56:24,830 --> 02:56:22,479
i think we just celebrated two years on

4605
02:56:26,150 --> 02:56:24,840
patreon when she was diagnosed with

4606
02:56:29,030 --> 02:56:26,160
cancer

4607
02:56:31,030 --> 02:56:29,040
uh i all of a sudden realize that is not

4608
02:56:31,910 --> 02:56:31,040
to overuse the word but that's a game

4609
02:56:33,510 --> 02:56:31,920
changer that

4610
02:56:35,429 --> 02:56:33,520
all of a sudden i'm not leaving i'm not

4611
02:56:36,070 --> 02:56:35,439
going on tour i'm going to have to be

4612
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:36,080
here

4613
02:56:39,670 --> 02:56:38,640
with her through chemo radiation nine

4614
02:56:41,349 --> 02:56:39,680
surgeries

4615
02:56:43,030 --> 02:56:41,359
that she had so i've got to find a way

4616
02:56:45,910 --> 02:56:43,040
to entertain people online

4617
02:56:48,710 --> 02:56:45,920
so i joined the patreon platform and my

4618
02:56:50,710 --> 02:56:48,720
site there is patreon.comronkeel where

4619
02:56:52,630 --> 02:56:50,720
we offer exclusive audio

4620
02:56:54,550 --> 02:56:52,640
video you can listen to my radio show on

4621
02:56:58,150 --> 02:56:54,560
demand my podcast

4622
02:56:59,510 --> 02:56:58,160
my audiobook uh interactive experiences

4623
02:57:01,269 --> 02:56:59,520
live online chat

4624
02:57:03,590 --> 02:57:01,279
a lot of cool stuff we've got contests

4625
02:57:06,469 --> 02:57:03,600
going on i'm really really aggressive

4626
02:57:08,230 --> 02:57:06,479
about my online activities on patreon it

4627
02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:08,240
will never take the place of

4628
02:57:11,269 --> 02:57:10,560
a sold out arena and we've we've been

4629
02:57:13,110 --> 02:57:11,279
able to do

4630
02:57:15,510 --> 02:57:13,120
like i said 24 shows this year we

4631
02:57:17,750 --> 02:57:15,520
headlined five gigs at the sturgis rally

4632
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:17,760
i did my first tour of australia right

4633
02:57:20,389 --> 02:57:19,200
before the pandemic hit man we were

4634
02:57:22,389 --> 02:57:20,399
there in march

4635
02:57:23,590 --> 02:57:22,399
and the news was just starting to we're

4636
02:57:26,469 --> 02:57:23,600
starting to get get the

4637
02:57:27,190 --> 02:57:26,479
coven 19 chatter and we made it back to

4638
02:57:28,790 --> 02:57:27,200
the u.s

4639
02:57:31,110 --> 02:57:28,800
literally with a week to spare before

4640
02:57:32,950 --> 02:57:31,120
the travel ban so i was able to squeeze

4641
02:57:33,670 --> 02:57:32,960
in the australian tour the monsters of

4642
02:57:36,309 --> 02:57:33,680
rock cruise

4643
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:36,319
i've got some big shows next year and a

4644
02:57:39,830 --> 02:57:38,160
live stream concert that we had

4645
02:57:41,510 --> 02:57:39,840
in august that's going to be remixed

4646
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:41,520
remastered and relaunched

4647
02:57:45,110 --> 02:57:44,000
this month on my patreon site so there's

4648
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:45,120
always a lot going on

4649
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:47,600
a lot of news and i encourage everybody

4650
02:57:51,110 --> 02:57:49,040
to just check it out and

4651
02:57:52,309 --> 02:57:51,120
you know listen to some music uh follow

4652
02:57:55,349 --> 02:57:52,319
me on twitter and

4653
02:57:56,790 --> 02:57:55,359
facebook i'm all at ron keel on all

4654
02:57:59,030 --> 02:57:56,800
those platforms facebook

4655
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:59,040
twitter instagram at ron keel that

4656
02:58:02,550 --> 02:58:01,040
simple thank you so much ron what a

4657
02:58:05,429 --> 02:58:02,560
great conversation tonight

4658
02:58:06,389 --> 02:58:05,439
and uh of of course i want to let

4659
02:58:09,349 --> 02:58:06,399
everybody know ron

4660
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:09,359
invited me i'm forcing him to uh to

4661
02:58:12,469 --> 02:58:10,240
confirm

4662
02:58:14,150 --> 02:58:12,479
on to his radio show and this is the

4663
02:58:16,630 --> 02:58:14,160
thing

4664
02:58:19,110 --> 02:58:16,640
turning it around and seeing your host

4665
02:58:21,429 --> 02:58:19,120
chops and hearing your host chops

4666
02:58:23,030 --> 02:58:21,439
i look forward to that man i look

4667
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:23,040
forward to it as well jimmy and

4668
02:58:27,510 --> 02:58:25,120
uh let's set that up very soon i know

4669
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:27,520
that our we have a lot of common ground

4670
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both in our thoughts our feelings our

4671
02:58:33,349 --> 02:58:30,880
beliefs and our listeners

4672
02:58:34,389 --> 02:58:33,359
thank you so much man ron keel all the

4673
02:58:38,630 --> 02:58:34,399
best my brother

4674
02:58:41,670 --> 02:58:38,640
what a great show tonight live the rock

4675
02:58:43,750 --> 02:58:41,680
rod keel and we did literally

4676
02:58:45,429 --> 02:58:43,760
just go pulled a poll i'm gonna go

4677
02:58:46,150 --> 02:58:45,439
straight into credits ron you stay right

4678
02:58:48,550 --> 02:58:46,160
there

4679
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fade to black's executive producer is

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rita kamarian

4681
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and you gotta love it the thing is this

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when you go

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92 and a half hours

4684
02:59:02,150 --> 02:59:00,080
on fade to black you've got something to

4685
02:59:03,990 --> 02:59:02,160
say and what a great conversation

4686
02:59:05,910 --> 02:59:04,000
tonight thank you so much ron

4687
02:59:08,550 --> 02:59:05,920
beta black's executive producer dorita

4688
02:59:10,150 --> 02:59:08,560
kumarian shows produced by hilton j palm

4689
02:59:12,389 --> 02:59:10,160
renee dennis and kevin

4690
02:59:13,349 --> 02:59:12,399
announcers are steve harter gene vettel

4691
02:59:16,230 --> 02:59:13,359
and mark d

4692
02:59:16,550 --> 02:59:16,240
kovar webmaster is drew the geek music

4693
02:59:18,550 --> 02:59:16,560
doug

4694
02:59:20,710 --> 02:59:18,560
aldridge you didn't know that ron did

4695
02:59:22,469 --> 02:59:20,720
you that's doug aldridge playing guitar

4696
02:59:23,660 --> 02:59:22,479
i did not that's very cool i thought it

4697
02:59:25,910 --> 02:59:23,670
was you no that's

4698
02:59:28,150 --> 02:59:25,920
[Laughter]

4699
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peyton black is produced by kjcr for the

4700
02:59:33,190 --> 02:59:31,600
game changer network syndication is kgra

4701
02:59:35,349 --> 02:59:33,200
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4702
02:59:36,870 --> 02:59:35,359
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02:59:38,870 --> 02:59:36,880
game changer network inc

4704
02:59:40,710 --> 02:59:38,880
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02:59:42,710 --> 02:59:40,720
copied or used anywhere in the

4706
02:59:44,070 --> 02:59:42,720
universe without written permission from

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02:59:44,710 --> 02:59:44,080
paid to black of the game changer

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02:59:46,710 --> 02:59:44,720
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02:59:49,590 --> 02:59:46,720
our murals jimmy church tomorrow night

4710
02:59:52,070 --> 02:59:49,600
very special evh broadcast

4711
02:59:53,830 --> 02:59:52,080
until then be safe ron give him a go

4712
02:59:56,630 --> 02:59:53,840
beckley teppy

4713
02:59:58,070 --> 02:59:56,640
go beckley that's what i'm talking about

4714
03:00:10,650 --> 02:59:58,080
ron keough i'm your host jimmy church

4715
03:00:22,830 --> 03:00:10,660
i'll see everybody tomorrow night

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so